Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

StevieJ

Tromking wrote: »

Ah, the much yearned for “2nd referendum” or as I prefer to call it the biggest risk to our democracy since mainland European fascism in the last century.

Tell you what we can defer to our Sovereign Parliament to decide if we stay in or leave, let them have a free vote.

Tromking

StevieJ wrote: »

Tell you what we can defer to our Sovereign Parliament to decide if we stay in or leave, let them have a free vote.

Not when they abrogated the power to decide our continued membership of the EU to the people via a referendum, no.
That little inconvenient fact makes any decision to revisit the decision extremely risky.

ukcarper

StevieJ wrote: »

Tell you what we can defer to our Sovereign Parliament to decide if we stay in or leave, let them have a free vote.

That would be OK if they hadn't decided to ask us now they have I think they are bound to respect the result. Remember the vote to have a referendum was 554 for 53 against.

Theophile

Tromking wrote: »

Your not the first Remain voter to think that a poll suggesting a possible change of mind on Brexit equates to or trumps the Referendum result. It doesn’t.

[STRIKE]Your[/STRIKE] You're not the first Leave voter to think that democracy ended on 23/06/2016.

Tromking wrote: »

Not when they abrogated the power to decide our continued membership of the EU to the people via a referendum, no.
That little inconvenient fact makes any decision to revisit the decision extremely risky.

The little inconvenient fact that the referendum was not legally binding but merely advisory makes a decision to revisit quite low risk actually.

ukcarper

Theophile wrote: »

[STRIKE]Your[/STRIKE] You're not the first Leave voter to think that democracy ended on 23/06/2016.


The little inconvenient fact that the referendum was not legally binding but merely advisory makes a decision to revisit quite low risk actually.

In what way do you think it's low risks?

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

Your not the first Remain voter to think that a poll suggesting a possible change of mind on Brexit equates to or trumps the Referendum result. It doesn’t.

Of course it doesn't. But it's showing the will of the people isn't so certain, no?
That's why we need a 2nd referendum; to see if we can get a conclusive answer.

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

Your not the first Remain voter to think that a poll suggesting a possible change of mind on Brexit equates to or trumps the Referendum result. It doesn’t.

Tromking wrote: »

Ah, the much yearned for “2nd referendum” or as I prefer to call it the biggest risk to our democracy since mainland European fascism in the last century.

How is listening to the people a threat to democracy?

Crashy_Time

Herzlos wrote: »

Of course it doesn't. But it's showing the will of the people isn't so certain, no?
That's why we need a 2nd referendum; to see if we can get a conclusive answer.

We already got a conclusive answer, a majority voted to leave.

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

Of course it doesn't. But it's showing the will of the people isn't so certain, no?
That's why we need a 2nd referendum; to see if we can get a conclusive answer.

Do you really think another referendum will give us a conclusive ans what if it's 52/48 remain, best of three.

Graham_Devon

Sure, have a 2nd referendum.

But if remain wins (and it likely will, as a second referendum is hardly likely to ask the same question, it will be loaded towards getting the "correct" remain answer, as per so many other examples in the past in EU countries that have had similar...it would be VERY easy to ensure a remain win simply by changing the question)...does it stop there? Would you be shouting from the rooftops about democracy then?

Afterall, there will be anarchy if brexit is reversed. Extreme politics will be back in fashion. Farage will be back quicker than you can blink, pulling voters from every party, and we'll be back to square one. This time though, knowing that we voted out, but had to vote again - What Farage said all along will become true - so he;ll be hated even more by those who already hate him, but likely build up a further fan base simply by doing what he does best - stating the truth.

So would we then have a 3rd referendum? Would remainers be shouting about the beauty of democracy again and willing a further referendum? Or will the tables have turned?

I think we all know the answer.

So sure, have a 2nd referendum. Let the setup commence. But don't be shocked by the results in the political arena in the months following. It will be a complete blood bath, and there will be no one to blame but those who willed all this nonsense on.

And guess what, we'll all suffer. Just this time round, we'll have an EU that has a sense of control over us too.

Do I think a second referendum is on the way? I feel it's more likely. But I do fear the 12-24 months thereafter and how we are all effected by politics turnign into a bigger fight than we've witnessed for decades. I like Farage. I like the way he simply states the truth (even if it's what he thinks is the truth) and answers a question. But I don't want him back dividing us all politically again, no matter how good and genuine his cause is (and it is genuine, to all those he can get voting for him). We had got passed all that. No it seems we want to start it all again and start another 10 years of political unrest only for the same outcome to follow.

No one can genuinely "win" when 52% of the voters have their vote overturned. Thats 17m disgruntled people. Doesn't matter if they "might change their mind now". They will forget that in an instant the moment they have been turned into fools.

Lot of votes to go towards extreme parties at both ends of the spectrum. The Lib Dems have much knowledge on how these things play out....