Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Ballard

fatbeetle wrote: »

So being in the EU isn't doing great things for Italy's economy, and yet they are one of the largest contributors to the EU trough. They must be mad.

Oh. Is that why we've brought Rome into the conversation?

kabayiri

Ballard wrote: »

Oh. Is that why we've brought Rome into the conversation?

They are just an exemplar.

Brexit is just as much a value judgement on the EU, or it should have been ideally.

I'd like to see more UK people move both work and living between here and somewhere like Rome. But, personally...in my line of work, it isn't happening.

I'm surprised that people expect me to have an EU-centric view, when my work environment has increasingly moved outside the EU.

Look, if you are a farmer in Norfolk, your priorities might be different, but I'm obviously not.

kabayiri

buglawton wrote: »

The favourite EU place to send jobs in my organisation is Poland and Romania. This even after Asia has been a long term destination.

So IT workers are used to this in the UK job market. Globalisation has definitely depressed UK IT salaries and is a reason for young people to think carefully before entering a career in say, coding. But another less obvious aspect is that it's allowed large organisations including government to embark on massive IT projects that fail or go into endless mission creep, because such projects appear temptingly affordable in advance.

People can see these long term trends. They can either accept it, or object in some fashion.

I would expect workers in Poznan to protect their livelihoods, just as workers in Rotherham are entitled to do so.

Will Brexit bring about the change they want? That's obviously completely unknown. Any politician can make a complete hash of things. That...we could never have foreseen back in 2016.

StevieJ

AFF8879 wrote: »

How about skilled labour pool, English as a first language, superior legal system, superior universities, better transport and logistics networks, financial services infrastructure, more varied culture and nightlife....

Though Berlin would be an infinitely better option than Rome IMO; but the reason London is more sought after both by professionals and tourists for decades is something that would take something catastrophic to reverse. If Brexit meant all trade with Europe would stop, then I might agree....

Exactly why the UK is so well placed within the EU and why we have done so well out of it. In addition the UK as a big player has been able to exert a quiet but powerful influence within the EU, that includes rebates also keeping us away from the Eurozone and other centralist measures.

Herzlos

Ballard wrote: »

Oh. Is that why we've brought Rome into the conversation?

I asked why London was better than Rome. It's my fault.

Herzlos

I'm curious as to how much of a public mood flip we'd need before the "will of the people" crowd start thinking a 2nd referendum is a good idea:


Swansea has flipped to Remain

More than 100 constituencies have flipped to Remain.

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

I'm curious as to how much of a public mood flip we'd need before the "will of the people" crowd start thinking a 2nd referendum is a good idea:


Swansea has flipped to Remain

More than 100 constituencies have flipped to Remain.

Your not the first Remain voter to think that a poll suggesting a possible change of mind on Brexit equates to or trumps the Referendum result. It doesn’t.

StevieJ

Tromking wrote: »

Your not the first Remain voter to think that a poll suggesting a possible change of mind on Brexit equates to or trumps the Referendum result. It doesn’t.

Of course it doesn't, that 2nd Referendum, however, edges closer.

Thrugelmir

StevieJ wrote: »

Of course it doesn't, that 2nd Referendum, however, edges closer.

Nicola says this every week.

Tromking

StevieJ wrote: »

Of course it doesn't, that 2nd Referendum, however, edges closer.

Ah, the much yearned for “2nd referendum” or as I prefer to call it the biggest risk to our democracy since mainland European fascism in the last century.