Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Lungboy

Herzlos wrote: »

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/08/15/chris-grayling-has-no-credible-plan-no-deal-brexit-road-hauliers/

Hauliers seem unimpressed with plans for transit post Brexit. Grayling seems.unawarevthat it'll even be interrupted.

That's because Grayling is a total incompetent who ruins everything he touches.

Ballard

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Think that you are wide of the mark. There'll be no surprise deep down. Not as if the attitude of certain sections of Brussels will come as a surprise. Same people we've been dealing with for years.

Yet we were told that we held all of the cards and a deal would quickly be forthcoming and would be a massive improvement on the one that we’re giving up.

Lungboy

Ballard wrote: »

Yet we were told that we held all of the cards and a deal would quickly be forthcoming and would be a massive improvement on the one that we’re giving up.

"Easiest in history" according to noted truth-teller Liam Fox.

ukcarper

ilovehouses wrote: »

There would be a big shake out. The Tories would have to stop the proxy leadership campaign that's been running since the last GE and be forced to decide who would take them into the election. All parties would have to get off the pot and decide what their policies actually are.

Maybe we end up with something else which is sub optimal but a government that can't govern is neither use nor ornament.

Personally I though the Chequers deal was a reasonable compromise and if the majority MPs from all sides got behind that and backed the government it might have been possible to have reached a deal. But MPs of both sides seem unable to compromise and I don't seen a GE changing that.

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

Personally I though the Chequers deal was a reasonable compromise and if the majority MPs from all sides got behind that and backed the government it might have been possible to have reached a deal. But MPs of both sides seem unable to compromise and I don't seen a GE changing that.

But it was never going to be (a) workable or (b) acceptable to the EU. The Tories are still wasting a huge amount of time and effort on a proposal that's already been rejected.

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

But it was never going to be (a) workable or (b) acceptable to the EU. The Tories are still wasting a huge amount of time and effort on a proposal that's already been rejected.

If government were more united on the deal the EU might not be so keen to reject it outright, the fact that we aren't plays into EU hands.

ukcarper

ilovehouses wrote: »

I think we're becoming sensitised to the sheer inability of the government to deal with brexit. We talk about EU intransigence but don't forget Chequers was only part of the process in the government's quest to decide what they want and two ministers promptly resigned. Two years after the referendum.

Personally I don't see the big deal with taking one of the deals on the table, leaving the EU and letting the future relationship evolve with time. Seems like nobody is in much of a rush anyway.

I voted remain so would be happy to accept many of the deals, but I don't think continuing to allow freedom of movement and being subject completely to EU rules will satisfy leave voters.

cogito

ukcarper wrote: »

I voted remain so would be happy to accept many of the deals, but I don't think continuing to allow freedom of movement and being subject completely to EU rules will satisfy leave voters.

Of course it won't. Being subject to EU rules is the same as remaining.

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

If government were more united on the deal the EU might not be so keen to reject it outright, the fact that we aren't plays into EU hands.

It's not acceptible to the EU or vaguely workabout regardless of how many MP's agree with it. The whole house could be behind it and it'd still get rejected. Because it's a bad attempt at a compromise.

cogito

Herzlos wrote: »

It's not acceptible to the EU or vaguely workabout regardless of how many MP's agree with it. The whole house could be behind it and it'd still get rejected. Because it's a bad attempt at a compromise.

Not bad but stupid. The EU won't compromise on anything and I have no idea why our stupid government is bothering to try.