Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

mayonnaise

fatbeetle wrote: »

Did you actually read the report?

I did.
On what basis did you dismiss it as scaremongering?
Do you not agree with the impact of 'no deal' on cross border clinical trials? Or maybe you have a different view on mutual recognition of professional qualifications? Or you don't agree with the BMA on the impact on our participation in the CE mark scheme for medicines and medical devices?
Which one is it?

Ballard

lisyloo wrote: »

So to sum up, if it's impossible to come to agreement and we cannot politically go against the will of the people, is it looking likely that we'll leave without a deal?
If this happens what will be the short-term impacts?

As I understand it there are obstacles in our way against joining the WTO so that is far from a given. I’m not sure what effect that would have on trade but it’s unlikely to result in cheaper goods.

Arklight

lisyloo wrote: »

So to sum up, if it's impossible to come to agreement and we cannot politically go against the will of the people, is it looking likely that we'll leave without a deal?
If this happens what will be the short-term impacts?

Sales of plastic Union Jack hats, Union Jack waistcoats made of sequins and commemorative Royal biscuit tins will briefly go through the roof. Sadly as all these things are made in China it won’t benefit the UK.

There’ll then be a mad scramble to agree a deal under any terms the EU demands.

phillw

ukcarper wrote: »

I don't agree rejecting a deal outright before discussing it unreasonable and shows a degree of contempt for British people,

It's perfectly reasonable, you are just showing clear contempt for the EU.

ukcarper wrote: »

the cake argument is a just red herring.

It' is, you're just upset the EU sees through baldricks cunning plan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsXKS8Nyu8Q

ukcarper wrote: »

If they really feel the deal will damage EU they must not be confident that many member states are not happy with EU as is is now.

Wishful thinking. You think that your threats to inflict damage onto the EU will make the member states flinch and bow to Britains supremacy.

ukcarper wrote: »

Yes there are people like Reece Moog who want to leave at any cost and this is counterbalanced by many remain supporters who don't want to leave at all and are pushing for that.

Right, which is why anyone who thought that voting to leave would be anything other than a disaster deserves whatever comes to them.

ukcarper wrote: »

What is needed for the people in the middle to come together forgetting party loyalties, unlikely to happen.

What is needed is for the minority still clinging to brexit for whatever reason to realise that the will of the people is to remain, but in the "you snooze you lose" referendum we're going to crash out of the eu with no deal. Those who think it will ease their "reasonable anxiety of ever closer ties to europe" will find short term benefit until they realise just how crap it's going to be living with a majority who regret leaving.

wunferall

cogito wrote: »

And you think that you do?

If one side repeatedly rejects every proposal, the time has to come when the side being rejected has to say 'ok, we tried. No point in wasting more time. Come to us if you have any ideas. Meanwhile, you can forget about your €39bn'

Followed by "Oh & by the way, we're suing you" as suggested by Trump.
After all, the EU's own rules say that they must reach an agreement (See Art.50) and it's obvious the UK is trying but not so the EU.
Let the lawyers decide.

wunferall

Ballard wrote: »

As I understand it there are obstacles in our way against joining the WTO so that is far from a given. I!!!8217;m not sure what effect that would have on trade but it!!!8217;s unlikely to result in cheaper goods.

No.
See: https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/countries_e/united_kingdom_e.htm

You're conflating membership and proposals.
The UK is already a member.

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

It's perfectly reasonable, you are just showing clear contempt for the EU.



It' is, you're just upset the EU sees through baldricks cunning plan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsXKS8Nyu8Q


Explain


Wishful thinking. You think that your threats to inflict damage onto the EU will make the member states flinch and bow to Britains supremacy.


No being pragmatic tell me what threats I have made

Right, which is why anyone who thought that voting to leave would be anything other than a disaster deserves whatever comes to them

Trouble is it will not be those that suffer

What is needed is for the minority still clinging to brexit for whatever reason to realise that the will of the people is to remain, but in the "you snooze you lose" referendum we're going to crash out of the eu with no deal. Those who think it will ease their "reasonable anxiety of ever closer ties to europe" will find short term benefit until they realise just how crap it's going to be living with a majority who regret leaving.

Have you any evidence to back that up

Read my comments, as for the will of the people I think many people who voted leave would be prepared to accept a compromise deal rather that leave without a deal and there would probably be a majority for that compromise depending on deal but ignoring referendum and just remaining is a different thing.

Filo25

wunferall wrote: »

Followed by "Oh & by the way, we're suing you" as suggested by Trump.
After all, the EU's own rules say that they must reach an agreement (See Art.50) and it's obvious the UK is trying but not so the EU.
Let the lawyers decide.

If you actually believe that I suspect you would be very disappointed by the result of such a legal action

wunferall

kabayiri wrote: »

The clock is running hey.

I was under the impression that the EU side needed any acceptable deal to be bounced around their member states for 5 or 6 months.

So Oct/Nov 2018 latest.

There seems little that is concrete, except for the default exit. They best get working on those border system changes.

Well the EU are already upsetting France with their proposed changes.

France deems unacceptable a European Commission proposal to exclude French ports from a re-routing of a strategic trade corridor between Ireland and mainland Europe after Brexit, the government said.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-france-trade/france-fumes-at-proposed-post-brexit-eu-sea-trade-links-idUKKBN1KW0KB

kabayiri

lisyloo wrote: »

So to sum up, if it's impossible to come to agreement and we cannot politically go against the will of the people, is it looking likely that we'll leave without a deal?
If this happens what will be the short-term impacts?

If we are looking at the form guide, then the politicians will look inwards of course.

May will be sacrificed on the political altar in an attempt to stop the Tories splitting.

Corbyn will call for a GE, despite nobody really knowing what would be different with Labour in charge.

Oh....and milk will jump in price by 10p a litre, and the media will panic about that instead of anything else