Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Herzlos

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

A good deal is surely one where both parties are at least reasonably happy.
Someone ripped me off the other day for a couple of thousand. He’s done well, I’m furious. Life is long and I’m going to get the thieving basket some time.
If this is the result of our dealing with Europe we don’t deserve to be happy.

Exactly; for a normal person a good deal has both parties happy.
For Trump, a good deal is one where the other side has been ripped off. He's complained about various deals being bad for the US because there wasn't a ripped off party.

Thrugelmir

mrginge wrote: »

Nothing to do with what’s best for the whole country.

While ignoring that there's 27 other Governments all with their own lobbying groups fighting over ever word and line.

Matters have to be considered at macro not micro level.

andrewf75

mrginge wrote: »

TMs perspective i’m afraid is classic project manager bull****.

Get it done in the current term, claim a victory, walk away, leave someone else to sort it out.

Nothing to do with what’s best for the whole country.

who has a better approach though?

mrginge

andrewf75 wrote: »

who has a better approach though?

Is that the level we are operating at now? How depressing.

andrewf75

mrginge wrote: »

Is that the level we are operating at now? How depressing.

well yeah pretty much! There is no good way out of this. May as well accept that and save future disappointment!

Thrugelmir

andrewf75 wrote: »

who has a better approach though?

We need the silent Labour MP's to speak up. Break the stranglehold that is currently paralysing the party. This is a national issue that spans political lines.

chucknorris

Thrugelmir wrote: »

We need the silent Labour MP's to speak up. Break the stranglehold that is currently paralysing the party. This is a national issue that spans political lines.

I'm generally (mostly) a Tory voter, but I have to say that post Corbyn, I have seriously adjusted my views about labour MP's, obviously I realise that they can't be all the same. But before Corbyn I didn't really think about it that much. I do now though, there a lot of good genuine labour MP's out there, but for some reason they don't seem to be winning enough support within the labour party, most (if not all) are vastly superior to Corbyn. What the hell is going on? I sort of know, but I definitely couldn't deliver a lecture on what has happened, so a lot of what has occurred I am not fully up to speed with.

A_Pandiculation

chucknorris wrote: »

I'm generally (mostly) a Tory voter, but I have to say that post Corbyn, I have seriously adjusted my views about labour MP's, obviously I realise that they can't be all the same. But before Corbyn I didn't really think about it that much. I do now though, there a lot of good genuine labour MP's out there, but for some reason they don't seem to be winning enough support within the labour party, most (if not all) are vastly superior to Corbyn. What the hell is going on? I sort of know, but I definitely couldn't deliver a lecture on what has happened, so a lot of what has occurred I am not fully up to speed with.

IMHO that situation of good labour MP's not winning enough support within the labour party is just what's happening with remainer MP's in the Tory party.
I've said before in another thread, quite frankly it's disgraceful that Brexit was not allowed to be overseen by MP's and civil servants that either actually agreed with the vote or were themselves pro-leave.

Herzlos

The cabinet was 50:50 leave:remain for a while, but it's hard to maintain with so many resignations.

Moby

chucknorris wrote: »

I'm generally (mostly) a Tory voter, but I have to say that post Corbyn, I have seriously adjusted my views about labour MP's, obviously I realise that they can't be all the same. But before Corbyn I didn't really think about it that much. I do now though, there a lot of good genuine labour MP's out there, but for some reason they don't seem to be winning enough support within the labour party, most (if not all) are vastly superior to Corbyn. What the hell is going on? I sort of know, but I definitely couldn't deliver a lecture on what has happened, so a lot of what has occurred I am not fully up to speed with.

Corbyn supporters, Momentum etc have taken over the membership of the constituencies of many of those Labour MP'S. Also there is a very live debate within the Labour Party as to whether the MP's have too much power within the Party and just do their own thing without reference to the membership. There is basically an ongoing battle between the parliamentary party and the membership.