Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Herzlos

mrginge wrote: »

My expectation is that when negotiating any kind of deal, there should always be a way to end it.

I don’t know if that qualifies as ‘realistic’, but it does seem to be a fairly fundamental concept.

There is, we just need to convince the EU to agree. What other option do they have, really? If it's time barred or can be done unilaterally, what's to stop one party agreeing to the deal and then just ending it?
The protection applies both ways - they need to get us to agree, too.

Joan_number_one_6

mrginge wrote: »

My expectation is that when negotiating any kind of deal, there should always be a way to end it.

I don’t know if that qualifies as ‘realistic’, but it does seem to be a fairly fundamental concept.

Unless of course you're a remainer who doesn't want to leave the EU which pretty much sums up those liking the proposed deal.

andrewf75

Joan_number_one wrote: »

Unless of course you're a remainer who doesn't want to leave the EU which pretty much sums up those liking the proposed deal.

The more die hard remainers hate the deal as much as the die hard Brexiters. Its the more pragmatic on both sides who accept it as the closest we can come to a reasonable compromise in the interests of the country. Like is probably too strong a word though, not sure anyone really likes it...

kabayiri

andrewf75 wrote: »

The more die hard remainers hate the deal as much as the die hard Brexiters. Its the more pragmatic on both sides who accept it as the closest we can come to a reasonable compromise in the interests of the country. Like is probably too strong a word though, not sure anyone really likes it...

I reckon that to get potentially higher return, you have to take on board a higher risk strategy.

I reckon Trump would do that. He has done it in business.

A WTO exit would impact us, and obviously certain EU states more than others.

I don't particularly care who it hurts. I want the win.

andrewf75

kabayiri wrote: »

I reckon that to get potentially higher return, you have to take on board a higher risk strategy.

I reckon Trump would do that. He has done it in business.

A WTO exit would impact us, and obviously certain EU states more than others.

I don't particularly care who it hurts. I want the win.

That's fair enough, I can see benefits in starting from scratch as well, or fighting for the win of remaining, but I'm trying to see it from May's perspective and as the PM trying to do the best thing for the whole country, her strategy makes sense.
Yeah, Trump would probably do it, but that's not exactly selling it as sensible!

qwert_yuiop

kabayiri wrote: »

I reckon Trump would do that. He has done it in business.

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I reckon that, too. That’s why the buffoon has gone bust so often.

Herzlos

Joan_number_one wrote: »

Unless of course you're a remainer who doesn't want to leave the EU which pretty much sums up those liking the proposed deal.

I don't think any remainers like the deal - we're better off just staying in the EU (but this applies to any deal). Compared to the alternatives it's about as good as we're going to get.

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

I reckon Trump would do that. He has done it in business.

Trump is a total failure as a businessman or negotiator, with an appauling track record of bankruptcies and broken deals. He's still rich (but less so than if he'd put his inherited fortune into a fund) and talks about being a success, but he's not.

I don't particularly care who it hurts. I want the win.

Thats a pretty big problem and why we're so screwed. It does fit in with the trump deal of scam trading - that in order to win someone else has to lose, and if the other guy isn't getting ripped off you're getting a bad deal.


I want a good deal, but I definitely care who gets hurt in the process and I don't feel we'll "win" at Brexit if Mondeo man is any worse off.

mrginge

andrewf75 wrote: »

That's fair enough, I can see benefits in starting from scratch as well, or fighting for the win of remaining, but I'm trying to see it from May's perspective and as the PM trying to do the best thing for the whole country, her strategy makes sense.
Yeah, Trump would probably do it, but that's not exactly selling it as sensible!

TMs perspective i’m afraid is classic project manager bull****.

Get it done in the current term, claim a victory, walk away, leave someone else to sort it out.

Nothing to do with what’s best for the whole country.

qwert_yuiop

Herzlos wrote: »

It does fit in with the trump deal of scam trading - that in order to win someone else has to lose, and if the other guy isn't getting ripped off you're getting a bad deal.

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A good deal is surely one where both parties are at least reasonably happy.
Someone ripped me off the other day for a couple of thousand. He’s done well, I’m furious. Life is long and I’m going to get the thieving basket some time.
If this is the result of our dealing with Europe we don’t deserve to be happy.