Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

cogito

gfplux wrote: »

Interesting.
It is great they are free to talk to you.

In the late 1960s early 1970s it was very different.
Thankfully those times have passed.

I don't need you to tell me how different times are. I went to Albania in the 70s when I had to get a visa through the French embassy in Paris because the UK didn’t have diplomatic relations. That was a scary place (Albania that is, not the French embassy). Utter paranoia.

Because things are different doesn’t mean that they are OK now. Young people may be able to talk more freely but it doesn’t mean that they are happy with the direction of travel.

cogito

The_Big_Seedy_Bun wrote: »

That's why Rees Mogg, champion of Brexit and man of the people, is moving his many hundreds of millions of (undeclared) pounds to Ireland.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-jacob-rees-mogg-scm-ireland-city-move-eu-withdrawal-dublin-a8398041.html

You couldn't make it up.

You just did make it up. If you have actually read that article, you would know that it says nothing of the kind.

kabayiri

It does seem that May's deal relies on the ongoing goodwill of the EU.

IDS described the deal as containing a number of traps within the text.

Is such long term trust in the EU warranted, given recent events?

Back in 2014, one EU-phile Nick Clegg, called Farages' comments on EU army plans as "outright lies".

Move forward just 4 years, and it does seem that the EU army has some senior EU backing.

Today the EU might be heralding the May deal as workable, but what will they be saying/doing in a few year's time?

The default exit from the EU without a deal at least shows where the EU position will be.

The Germans will be pragmatic but steadfast. The French?...well they will be blockading their motorways as usual.

kabayiri

cogito wrote: »

I don't need you to tell me how different times are. I went to Albania in the 70s when I had to get a visa through the French embassy in Paris because the UK didn’t have diplomatic relations. That was a scary place (Albania that is, not the French embassy). Utter paranoia.
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I used to listen to Radio Tirana on the shortwave receiver many moons back. Boy that was some pumped propaganda !

kabayiri

gfplux wrote: »

Do not be shy, yes we know it is Apple. The phones are not that cheap. I suspect that is to do with what your income is.

It's obviously NOT Apple to anybody who follows events.

Apple isn't Chinese owned (yet!)

wunferall

kabayiri wrote: »

It does seem that May's deal relies on the ongoing goodwill of the EU.

IDS described the deal as containing a number of traps within the text.

Is such long term trust in the EU warranted, given recent events?

Back in 2014, one EU-phile Nick Clegg, called Farages' comments on EU army plans as "outright lies".

Move forward just 4 years, and it does seem that the EU army has some senior EU backing.

Today the EU might be heralding the May deal as workable, but what will they be saying/doing in a few year's time?

The default exit from the EU without a deal at least shows where the EU position will be.

The Germans will be pragmatic but steadfast. The French?...well they will be blockading their motorways as usual.

It's got to get past parliament too.

Have you noticed that most of the reports say "WHEN" the EU ratify the agreement on November 25th, not "IF"?

If true it's obviously a set-up.

Macron's already demanding a climate pledge; France, Spain, Belgium, Denmark and Portugal are allegedly unhappy about fishing rights; Italy, the Netherlands, Denmark and Germany are worried that the UK will gain unfair advantage because of the customs union etc. etc. etc.

So even if the UK parliament goes ahead (which let's be honest looks unlikely) the ratification by the EU 27 is surely not as foregone a conclusion as is being suggested.

wunferall

kabayiri wrote: »

It's obviously NOT Apple to anybody who follows events.

Apple isn't Chinese owned (yet!)

Doesn't that just show (yet again in this thread alone) how uninformed and/or out of touch some of the most vocal remainers really are!


Now for something different.
Not that the EU are concerned about their forthcoming elections or anything but they've just launched a campaign to show their citizens just how much the EU does for them.

The European Parliament has launched an online campaign called "This is what the EU does for me".

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/eu-europawahl-buerger-1.4214946&prev=search

The EU doesn't do propaganda though.
Nossir.
Ask any remainer.
:rotfl:

kabayiri

wunferall wrote: »

Doesn't that just show (yet again in this thread alone) how uninformed and/or out of touch some of the most vocal remainers really are!
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Well, my local MP doesn't get it.

I wouldn't trust the EU to decide 5G testing policy though.

VoucherMan

wunferall wrote: »

Now for something different.
Not that the EU are concerned about their forthcoming elections or anything but they've just launched a campaign to show their citizens just how much the EU does for them.

No need to translate, it's all there in English
https://www.what-europe-does-for-me.eu/en/portal
A slightly confusing title suggesting delusions of grandeur, and not particularly checked for accuracy if a quick look at some of the English entries are anything to go by.

East Lancashire’s urban centres of Preston and Blackpool.

Really? Last time I went there it was on the coast. One of the most westerly places in the county I think.

phillw

gfplux wrote: »

I agree with most of what you say but if there were a trade deal negotiated with the USA how many immigrants do you think should be written in to the deal.

Hasn't Donald Trump made a big deal about not importing anything to the US?

So I doubt a trade deal like you think is even possible. He promised one as part of the "don't worry about leaving the EU", but based on his actions I would expect that to go the same way as the 350 million a week to the NHS.

wunferall wrote: »

The EU doesn't do propaganda though.
Nossir.
Ask any remainer.
:rotfl:

:rotfl: you don't understand what propaganda is.

kabayiri wrote: »

Well, my local MP doesn't get it.

I wouldn't trust the EU to decide 5G testing policy though.

Yeah, because they'll use experts and we're sick of experts. Trigger down the nags head can do better than those foreign numpties eh