Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

gfplux

wunferall wrote: »

I'm sorry but now I don't think you have much idea TBH.
Or do the USA, China, Singapore, Canada, Australia and more who have said in these past months that they want deals with the UK not count - and no I won't post links.
If you're genuinely interested you will look.
Or maybe you think that the world's 6th largest consumer market really won't attract prospective traders?
:doh:

Take the deal and get on with it.

gfplux

Herzlos wrote: »

I'm just talking about basic logistics. Even with air freight it's going to take longer to get goods from China or Brazil than it will from France or Holland, whilst costing much more.
For stuff that isn't time critical, like bolts, you can get them shipped cheaply if you can order far enough I'm advance. Stuff with a shelf life of days or hours means you need to order it locally or pay more for air freight.

Both options realistically mean costs go up, which you might be able to offset if you can buy the stuff cheaply enough. It completely destroys any plans to use a just in time stock system though, which drives stock management costs up.

It must also be terrible for the environment to ship stuff from around the world when you can ship it from over the channel (or put it on a train).

We'll undoubtedly manage, but it's not going to yield any benefits for anyone.

All good points but frankly banging your head against a brick wall.

Sad to say.

They won
They got a withdrawal/transition deal all 584 pages of it.

Do you find it strange they now don’t want what they voted for.

gfplux

buglawton wrote: »

For some reason this puts me in mind of when the USSR blocked all rail and road traffic to West Berlin during the Cold War. The allies responded with the 'Daisy Bombers', an air bridge of transport planes that delivered enough fresh food and coal to keep the city running. The Air Bridge stayed in place for 11 months.

Once the total resolve of West Berliners and the Allies had been demonstrated, the Russians agreed to proper and permanent arrangements that turned out to be in the mutual interest, even as the Cold War continued.

The Russian blockade had one important side effect: It exposed the true intentions of the USSR leadership and set the West German public and Allies in a mood of determination to succeed in adversity that lasted till the Wall came down 43 years later.

In other words once we've demonstrated total resolve that we're well and truly leaving and won't be bullied, normal business and trade sanity will definitely resume. It's in the interests of real people and businesses in both sides of the Channel. Any covert one-sided trade sanctions will be rapidly exposed and set right, there's plenty of quid pro quo to be had in trade, tourism and cooperation in numerous ways.

You voted Brexit.

You got a withdrawal/transition deal, all 584 pages of it.

You won, take the deal.

gfplux

Lungboy wrote: »

Does the draft agreement deal with things like plane licences and Euratom?

Yes. It is a withdrawal/transition agreement. This means EVERYTHING stays the same after the end of March 2019.

The transition period is until the end of December 2020 when all those other things have to be sorted out. Originally the British wanted the transition period to be two year but in the end agree that it would be 21 months.

If Britain rejects the withdrawal/transition agreement then at the end of March 2019 things like the plane licences and Euratom will just STOP.

gfplux

The_Big_Seedy_Bun wrote: »

We can't just snap our fingers and renegotiate over 100 trading agreements from a standing start.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2016/03/04/leaving-the-eu-would-mean-renegotiating-more-than-100-trade-agreements/

All those other countries have enjoyed decades since the end of the War to negotiate their agreements. We will be at a standing start negotiating from a position of weakness with almost every partner.

The Americans and Australians have already said we'll need to import food from them that falls beneath our current standards, to have any hope of another trade deal. Not to mention animal welfare.

Do you know what kind of miserable existence an American intensively farmed cow goes through while it's intravenously pumped full of growth hormones and antibiotics? British farmers will either have to do the same or go out of business.

You may not care but many people do, and I don't think having that forced on them was what they had in mind when they voted Leave.

Notwithstanding the small fact that the most important one we will have to make is with the EU, and that's looking like it may not even happen.

The Brexit side has been showed to be delusional. Two and a half years of wrangling and we have one side of Brexiteers saying - "Oh nothing much will change." (well why are we doing it then) and the other side saying "It won't be that bad."

Second referendum please.

I agree with most of what you say but if there were a trade deal negotiated with the USA how many immigrants do you think should be written in to the deal.

wunferall

The_Big_Seedy_Bun wrote: »

That's why Rees Mogg, champion of Brexit and man of the people, is moving his many hundreds of millions of (undeclared) pounds to Ireland.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-jacob-rees-mogg-scm-ireland-city-move-eu-withdrawal-dublin-a8398041.html

You couldn't make it up. Is there anyone who told people to vote Leave 2 years ago not leaving politics, their post, the country, themselves? Maybe they misunderstood what they were campaigning for.

Of the course theyre all rich so it doesn't much matter to them how much damage this is doing.

You're only continuing the promulgation of what has already been shown to be nothing more than hysterical cries of fear from remainers.
If you read what you post you'd see that firstly it's not him.
It's a company he helped to start.
Then this company isn't moving.
What it is doing is starting a new investment fund.

When will certain (re-)remainers understand that it's their lies being told that is pushing the UK more and more towards WTO Brexit?

wunferall

The_Big_Seedy_Bun wrote: »

We can't just ......

->

buglawton wrote: »

Well you've nicely mixed up a number of issues there. It's known as FUD.

It might also be known as "throwing a wobbly", "throwing your dummy out the pram" or plain old having a tantrum.

Nothing in bun's post actually relates to what I posted which TBH leaves only one possibility for what that post was.

wunferall

gfplux wrote: »

Take the deal and get on with it.

gfplux wrote: »

You voted Brexit.

You got a withdrawal/transition deal, all 584 pages of it.

You won, take the deal.

A few times one after the other you've posted the same comment, each time with only minor revision.
You're really really REALLY hoping the UK accepts so that the EU still holds sway over the UK, aren't you?
You're going to be disappointed.
Again.

wunferall

Here's one example of how the world sees the EU's indecision, this being from the New York Post.

It’s immensely damaging that, rather than volunteering themselves, the big nations are trying to pass the buck to their less powerful neighbors. Their motivation is clear: The larger the country, the bigger the risk of angering President Trump.

https://nypost.com/2018/11/17/europe-is-showing-itself-too-soft-to-use-its-soft-power/

Have a read; it's interesting & not very long ...... and it ends thus:

EU leaders’ real policy appears to be to string Iran along while waiting for the Trump presidency to end. They are going through the motions, while holding off on any decisive action.

No one wants to risk a Trump attack on Europe’s financial system or an intensification of the trade war, which would hit car exporters hard. But this is a head-in-the-sand tactic. It might be pragmatic, but it stands in stark rebuttal to European rhetoric on sovereignty.

See.
Everybody knows that the EU is really all about fudge.

Thrugelmir

Originally Posted by The Big Seedy Bun
That's why Rees Mogg, champion of Brexit and man of the people, is moving his many hundreds of millions of (undeclared) pounds to Ireland.

Read the article again and you may well find that is a misrepresentation of the facts. Fake news abounds these days. More to misunderstanding and a desperate attempt to ridicule people on a personal level.