Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Lornapink

Day 1 Brexiteer claim now backed by EU Chief;
Trade deal possible by the end of 2020, EU chief negotiator says ... existing relationship would make it “feasible” to strike a quick trade deal
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/trade-deal-possible-by-the-end-of-2020-eu-chief-negotiator-says-37529950.html

Lornapink

gfplux wrote: »

I am not going to trawl through Google but I thought even Brexiters excepted the research that EU immigrants pay in MORE than they take out.
If I am mistaken that the research proves that, I apologise.
If I am mistaken in thinking Brexiters except the research I promises to fall off my chair.

Remainers constantly claim they do the low paid work we apparently wont, ergo, low pay that attracts little or no tax.


The studies to which you refer were utterly incompetent and didn't capture reality, instead they interviewed spiffing city workers and ignored the army that man takeaways and hand car washes.

Moby

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/draft_withdrawal_agreement_0.pdf

Quoting the FT, “EU leaders resolved after the UK’s June 2016 referendum that, if Britain were to leave, its relationship with the EU must be inferior to the terms enjoyed as a member state since 1973.” This draft agreement shows the EU has achieved it's objective and has given the UK a very good spanking. Paying £39 billion+ as part of withdrawing from the EU, being outside of the EU but still taking EU rules, anyone disagree? National humiliation!:mad:

buglawton

gfplux wrote: »

I am not going to trawl through Google but I thought even Brexiters excepted the research that EU immigrants pay in MORE than they take out.
If I am mistaken that the research proves that, I apologise.
If I am mistaken in thinking Brexiters except the research I promises to fall off my chair.

On average all earners/spenders pay more in than they take out. I do believe that's the basic principle of taxation.

Tromking

Moby wrote: »

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/draft_withdrawal_agreement_0.pdf

Quoting the FT, “EU leaders resolved after the UK’s June 2016 referendum that, if Britain were to leave, its relationship with the EU must be inferior to the terms enjoyed as a member state since 1973.” This draft agreement shows the EU has achieved it's objective and has given the UK a very good spanking. Paying £39 billion+ as part of withdrawing from the EU, being outside of the EU but still taking EU rules, anyone disagree? National humiliation!:mad:

Yes, national humiliation just about sums it up Moby.
It’s becoming more obvious by the hour that the dominant Remainer political class are going to give us the choice of a terrible deal or staying in, TM said as much on the steps of Downing Street yesterday. The Tory plan (outside of the ERG) all along was pay lip service to referendum result in the hope that when the Brexit betrayal came they could claim at the next election that they had at least tried. As a leave voter who was lead up the hill by the likes of Gove, Leadsom and Fox, I’m not going to be happy if they remain in post and help push through this absolute garbage. There will be a special place reserved in hell for these quislings.

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Doesn't help that many of the ageing ex-pat population now wish to return home though. Amount of property for sale is startling. Not just in Spain but in other holiday destinations.

That's going to hurt the NHS and public services more than a small horde of Poles will.


That said, at least their pensions will be getting spent in the UK instead of Spain.

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

Yes, national humiliation just about sums it up Moby.
It’s becoming more obvious by the hour that the dominant Remainer political class are going to give us the choice of a terrible deal or staying in, TM said as much on the steps of Downing Street yesterday. The Tory plan (outside of the ERG) all along was pay lip service to referendum result in the hope that when the Brexit betrayal came they could claim at the next election that they had at least tried. As a leave voter who was lead up the hill by the likes of Gove, Leadsom and Fox, I’m not going to be happy if they remain in post and help push through this absolute garbage. There will be a special place reserved in hell for these quislings.

If there was any good deal to be had by leaving they'd have jumped on it. Someone would have suggested it. Even the ERG were saying we should brace to leave and maybe we'll be better off in 2 generations.


We told you that any deal would be terrible, and that there'd be no cake and eating it. Now that's come to roost we're not in any way surprised.

gfplux

Here is some reading.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/756374/14_November_Draft_Agreement_on_the_Withdrawal_of_the_United_Kingdom_of_Great_Britain_and_Northern_Ireland_from_the_European_Union.pdf

gfplux

All the details
The Prime Minister has confirmed the Cabinet has agreed to support the draft text of the Withdrawal agreement and outline of the political declaration on the future framework #Brexit

The following documents have now been published:

* Progress on the UK's exit - https://!!!!!!/2Fm6nLT

* Withdrawal Agreement explainer - https://!!!!!!/2FkrVst

* Press statement - https://!!!!!!/2FnvKgB

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

If there was any good deal to be had by leaving they'd have jumped on it. Someone would have suggested it. Even the ERG were saying we should brace to leave and maybe we'll be better off in 2 generations.


We told you that any deal would be terrible, and that there'd be no cake and eating it. Now that's come to roost we're not in any way surprised.

Not wishing to be rude, but I don’t think you’re clever enough to have told me anything that I didn’t already know.
This isn’t for me about the likelihood of the EU never ever giving the U.K. a good deal, it’s about holding a UK Primeminister and her party to account on what they promised they would do.