Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

gfplux

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

When we leave the eu

We can make trade deals on our own terms without having to worry about Spanish farmers etc, deals that include services and deals that are actually useful to us.

We get our own fisheries back and can legitimately stop the many eu boats that over fish them.

We can give contracts to British companies without having to allow eu companies to quote on them (as we had to with the passports)

We cannot be forced to take the euro that appears to be designed to destroy all economies it touches.

We cannot be forced to join Schengen (you know, the one that has destroyed relations between so many eu countries).

We can finally make our own decisions about the direction our country goes in.

We will not be forced to become part of the united states of Europe (ever closer union can only ever mean one thing if the eu still exists at that time)

We can pick and choose who we wish to allow into this country.

We will not have the ECJ saying we cannot remove people from this, the ECJ is less than neutral and basically is the eu telling us what to do.

Our parliament should be supreme, we should not have a foreign power telling them how to run the country.


I know all this will be shot down, and it is only a few of the advantages, I really do not want to hand the country to a bunch of idiots that seem to think they can do as they wish with no come-back. They have proved time and time again that if they want to do something they will, I have no doubt that if we stayed in we would have to succumb to being ruined by the euro, I have no doubt that we would have to have totally open borders and probably give eu citizens priority for everything, after all they seem to think they are so much better than us.

This list needs a number of qualifications the largest of which is who in British Government has proven themselves competent to steer Britain to success in all of the above.

As for the first on the list. Will British Ministers ensure they look after BRITISH farmers interest when negotiating all of those free trade deals?

ukcarper

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

That's simply untrue.

Some were just making a protest vote....



Some were quite happy with the 4 freedoms but just wanted a bit more control....



And some openly preferred an EFTA style deal...


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/25/protest-vote-regret-voting-leave-brexit

So it is completely impossible to say ALL leave voters rejected the 4 freedoms.

A sensible, compromise, Brexit is therefore the EEA option.

I don't see it satisfying the vast majority you obviously do because it suites you.

Enterprise_1701C

gfplux wrote: »

This list needs a number of qualifications the largest of which is who in British Government has proven themselves competent to steer Britain to success in all of the above.

As for the first on the list. Will British Ministers ensure they look after BRITISH farmers interest when negotiating all of those free trade deals?

The difference is WE CAN LOOK AFTER BRITISH FARMERS, and fishermen, and anything else, we can put British first rather than having to think about the Spanish, the French, etc etc. We can do things OUR way rather than the german way.

As for the government proving incompetent, just be glad we are not under Corbyn, he would have waved the white flag long ago. You do know that Argentina is preparing to invade The Falklands if Corbyn gets in don't you? They don't believe he would fight to defend British territory, neither do I, my belief is he would actively break up the UK. He actually wants a power sharing agreement with the Argentinians, in spite of the fact that Argentina have no legitimate claim over the islands.

This government may not be ideal, but they are far better than the alternative. Corbyn is so anti-British it is unbelievable, he would run this country into the ground and leave it a poor shadow of Venezuela.

buglawton

Ooh-er FT says Chancellor's going to give us a spend and no-new-taxes Budget. That only happens when...

Get ready for a GE soon.

cogito

gfplux wrote: »

On Saturday 20th October 2018 more than 700,000 people gathered in central London to PROTEST against Brexit.
There were many reasons that so many gathered together to protest but they were united as everyone was AGAINST Brexit.

To dismiss or devalue this huge protest is a rejection of democracy that so many Brexiters claim is so important.

'More than 700,000'. Crikey. The number gets bigger every day. You do know that there are no official numbers, only those given by the organisers.

Presumably, you also know that the Peoples Vote organisers said with no sense of irony that they took no sides in the debate and that those wanting to leave could join the march. How many leave banners did you see?

Do you know any leave voters who want another vote? Neither do I.

Joan_number_1_2

Herzlos wrote: »

That's a new one for me - have you got a reference?


Do young people even go to Spain these days?

Are you serious or are you just trying to provoke an angry negative response?
If it's the first you're seriously out of touch with the British young of today.

You don't think the Ibiza nightclubs or ... do you really want more?
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2018/03/28/spain-tops-tragic-table-for-young-brits-dying-abroad-according-to-uk-website/

Moby

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

The difference is WE CAN LOOK AFTER BRITISH FARMERS, and fishermen, and anything else, we can put British first rather than having to think about the Spanish, the French, etc etc. We can do things OUR way rather than the german way.

As for the government proving incompetent, just be glad we are not under Corbyn, he would have waved the white flag long ago. You do know that Argentina is preparing to invade The Falklands if Corbyn gets in don't you? They don't believe he would fight to defend British territory, neither do I, my belief is he would actively break up the UK. He actually wants a power sharing agreement with the Argentinians, in spite of the fact that Argentina have no legitimate claim over the islands.

This government may not be ideal, but they are far better than the alternative. Corbyn is so anti-British it is unbelievable, he would run this country into the ground and leave it a poor shadow of Venezuela.

Your language says it all.....'we can look after British Farmers'.....'British first'......'having to think about the Spanish and French'........'Our way rather than the German way'......'Corbyn'......'Argentina invading the Falklands'.......'fight to defend British territory'......'Anti British'......'Venezuela'...it goes on and on etc. Geez haven't people learned anything from the past? So much nativism.

Moby

cogito wrote: »

Do you know any leave voters who want another vote? Neither do I.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/11/more-than-100-pro-leave-constituencies-switch-to-remain

I know many in the Labour Party.

The analysis, one of the most comprehensive assessments of Brexit sentiment since the referendum, suggests the shift has been driven by doubts among Labour voters who backed Leave.

Enterprise_1701C

Moby wrote: »

Your language says it all.....'we can look after British Farmers'.....'British first'......'having to think about the Spanish and French'........'Our way rather than the German way'......'Corbyn'......'Argentina invading the Falklands'.......'fight to defend British territory'......'Anti British'......'Venezuela'...it goes on and on etc. Geez haven't people learned anything from the past?

I was answering a few questions, and Argentina seem to think Corbyn is an idiot. What is wrong with putting British first, it's about time we put our own interests first, after all that is what the Germans are doing with the euro.

Herzlos

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

The difference is WE CAN LOOK AFTER BRITISH FARMERS, and fishermen, and anything else, we can put British first rather than having to think about the Spanish, the French, etc etc. We can do things OUR way rather than the german way.

We could do that in the EU if our MEP's elected to represent us on various committees like fisheries actually turned up and earned their salary.

ukcarper wrote: »

I don't see it satisfying the vast majority you obviously do because it suites you.

The vast majority are going to be unsatisfied by any outcome, so we need to start setting expectations. Who should be upset the most at what cost?

Joan_number_1 wrote: »

Are you serious or are you just trying to provoke an angry negative response?
If it's the first you're seriously out of touch with the British young of today.

You don't think the Ibiza nightclubs or ... do you really want more?
https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2018/03/28/spain-tops-tragic-table-for-young-brits-dying-abroad-according-to-uk-website/

I'm not trying to provoke anything, I'm asking for a citation for a claim I've never heard before.



I'd not registered Ibiza as being Spain. It's a Spanish Island, so technically counts. I haven't been able to find any statistics on where brits prefer by age, beyond your link about young brits dying abroad.

Mainland Spain seems to be mostly older Brits (with their British communities and English mechanics) and younger families.

I thought young brits tended to go further afield now, and apart from Ibiza (which I think it waning too), don't really go to Spain when they can go to Greece, Turkey, etc. But I'll concede I'm out of touch with my peers.

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

I was answering a few questions, and Argentina seem to think Corbyn is an idiot. What is wrong with putting British first, it's about time we put our own interests first, after all that is what the Germans are doing with the euro.

What's wrong with cooperating and bringing everybody up, rather than this archaic and divisive "Us Vs Them" approach? It's like the Trump school of business where he can't process that a deal can benefit both people, and there doesn't need one party being screwed for the other to feel they've got a good deal.