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Brexit the economy and house prices part 6
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Joan_number_1 wrote: »What bull.
Globally the UK is second only to the USA as destination of choice for international students. Interestingly Australia is third, proving (as I said earlier) that language has influence and that students for whatever reason (let's ignore for now the best universities
) want to further their education in English-speaking establishments.
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Nothing to do the fact that the EU is trading on its reputation for past academic excellence. Students know that coming to Britain will ensure they get a better class of degree as academic standards fall. 26% of graduates with a First has devalued British education. But well worth coming here to get the badge of one of our premier institutions.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/university-grade-inflation-uk-first-class-degrees-second-thirds-government-a8594981.htmlFew people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »This whole issue is getting overthought. I'd hate this generation to have undertake the Normandy Landings that our forefathers did. Might as well raise the white flag. Blame the nanny state of Mr Brown......
I'm completely confused by this. Normandy is a good example of what we can achieve with a clear goal, planning and teamwork, none of which feature in Brexit. Which generation do you mean would struggle? Because we're asking for a plan before getting in the boats?
Referring back to the war may get the 65+'s going but most of us are confused as to how we've gone from the easiest deal in history to "We will fight them on the beaches" and "we'll go down fighting" in just 2 years, when the only actual enemy has been ourselves.
Young ones will fight for what they believe in, but it ain't brexit.0 -
Yes but all did not want to be tied to four freedoms and ECJ in one way or another which staying in single market and customs union would achieve.
It is I agree true that they had lots of different reasons for voting Leave (some unconnected with the 4 freedoms), but I was referring to the types of Brexit.
Ask a Leave voter what they wanted from leaving, some were wanting a complete end to any relationship with the EU, others just wanted to be out of the EU but were content with say joining EFTA.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
It is I agree true that they had lots of different reasons for voting Leave (some unconnected with the 4 freedoms), but I was referring to the types of Brexit.
Ask a Leave voter what they wanted from leaving, some were wanting a complete end to any relationship with the EU, others just wanted to be out of the EU but were content with say joining EFTA.
I'm not sure that's true unfortunately everything has got to polarised with one side pushing for hard brexit and the other insisting on a leave in name only solution, we needed to present a united front, I think hard brexit supporters are probably a minority but with the the majority of rest only prepared to accept leave in name only hard brexiters might well get thier way.0 -
Yes but all did not want to be tied to four freedoms
That's simply untrue.
Some were just making a protest vote....In the voting booth, Shaw finally made her choice: she voted leave. “To be quite frank, I did not believe it would happen,” she says. “I thought I’d put in a protest vote. The impact of my stupidity!”
As soon as Shaw saw the result the following morning, her heart sank. “I was in shock,” she remembers. “Even though I voted leave, I thought, ‘Oh no! This is terrible!’
Some were quite happy with the 4 freedoms but just wanted a bit more control....Paul Hartley, a 37-year-old mechanical engineer from Lancaster, describes himself as centre-left and instinctively pro-EU, but was turned around at the last minute by his father, who argued in favour of sovereignty and taking back decision-making powers. “That resonated with me,” Hartley says.
He felt regretful as soon as he saw how the victors were framing the result. “Every time I hear a politician talking about immigration and the will of the people, that is not what I voted for at all. The leave vote has been completely hijacked by the extreme right. I thought that common sense would prevail, but that hasn’t happened.”
And some openly preferred an EFTA style deal...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/25/protest-vote-regret-voting-leave-brexitMeanwhile, David Towne (not his real name) has literally lost sleep over his decision. A thirtysomething “moderate Conservative” who works for a non-profit in London, he describes his guilt as a kind of psychological crisis. Despite being a longstanding Eurosceptic who preferred a European Free Trade Association-style agreement
He was “shocked and panicked” by the result. “Nobody in London was happy about it, and it suddenly dawned on me that I’d voted against the interests of my city.”
So it is completely impossible to say ALL leave voters rejected the 4 freedoms.
A sensible, compromise, Brexit is therefore the EEA option.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
As I was saying about how scientific research and opportunities for young people will be affected by Brexit:-
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/brexit-latest-science-nobel-prize-no-deal-eu-theresa-may-francis-crick-institute-a8596201.htmlWorld-leading scientists and mathematicians from across Europe have warned against a hard Brexit if the UK is to preserve its vital research.
In a letter addressed to Theresa May and European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker, 29 Nobel Prize winning scientists and six winners of the prestigious Fields Medal urged them to pursue the “closest possible cooperation”.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/22/uk-science-reputation-at-risk-if-foreign-academics-visa-issues-not-resolvedThe visa problems facing foreign academics trying to attend international conferences in the UK reveal how science could be undermined after Brexit, one of the world’s largest research funds has said.
The Wellcome Trust, which grants more than £1bn for research each year, said the immigration system was “not up to scratch” after another scientific summit in the UK was marred by the visa barriers delegates and speakers faced.
Dr Mohamed Alnor, an assistant professor of psychiatry at Sudan International University, was denied entry to the UK to attend the World Congress of Psychiatric Genetics, which ended in Glasgow last Monday, despite spending more than $2,500 (£1,890) in fees.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-45303280impact of a no-deal Brexit on British science could be worse than previously thought, according to a new analysis.
UK researchers risk losing access to much of the EU funding that's currently available to them, it says.
The campaign group Scientists for EU has studied the Brexit technical notes released by the government on Thursday.0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »That's simply untrue.
Some were just making a protest vote....
Some were quite happy with the 4 freedoms but just wanted a bit more control....
And some openly preferred an EFTA style deal...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/25/protest-vote-regret-voting-leave-brexit
So it is completely impossible to say ALL leave voters rejected the 4 freedoms.
A sensible, compromise, Brexit is therefore the EEA option.
Then you have the other young people who voted to remain because they thought that they wouldn't be able to go on holiday to Spain any more and are now regretting their vote because they now know that they can.0 -
As I was saying about how scientific research and opportunities for young people will be affected by Brexit:-
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/brexit-latest-science-nobel-prize-no-deal-eu-theresa-may-francis-crick-institute-a8596201.html
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/22/uk-science-reputation-at-risk-if-foreign-academics-visa-issues-not-resolved
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-45303280
'May' not 'will' and probably won't.0 -
Then you have the other young people who voted to remain because they thought that they wouldn't be able to go on holiday to Spain any more and are now regretting their vote because they now know that they can.
That's a new one for me - have you got a reference?
Do young people even go to Spain these days?0 -
On Saturday 20th October 2018 more than 700,000 people gathered in central London to PROTEST against Brexit.
There were many reasons that so many gathered together to protest but they were united as everyone was AGAINST Brexit.
To dismiss or devalue this huge protest is a rejection of democracy that so many Brexiters claim is so important.There will be no Brexit dividend for Britain.0
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