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Brexit the economy and house prices part 6
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The linked article at the bottom is even more interesting.
Yes, I had seen that.
But I thought to myself "Heck, it's a Sunday. Don't induce apoplexy in remainers before their Sunday dinner".
As for May abandoning her Chequers plan a few things spring to mind.
Firstly that she was well aware beforehand that it would never fly. Maybe it was a way of pushing the EU into action, since ....
Secondly the EU's Article 50 very clearly says that the EU "the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement".
No agreement = EU breaking their own rules.
Perhaps she's listened to Donald Trump.
If they break their own rules, sue them 0 -
Thrugelmir wrote: »Perhaps she'll step down voluntarily. Must be exhausting dealing with constant negativism from all directions.
Being a Type 1 diabetic she has a ready made excuse.0 -
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Yes, I had seen that.
But I thought to myself "Heck, it's a Sunday. Don't induce apoplexy in remainers before their Sunday dinner".
As for May abandoning her Chequers plan a few things spring to mind.
Firstly that she was well aware beforehand that it would never fly. Maybe it was a way of pushing the EU into action, since ....
Secondly the EU's Article 50 very clearly says that the EU "the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement".
No agreement = EU breaking their own rules.
Perhaps she's listened to Donald Trump.
If they break their own rules, sue them
They don't care about breaking their own rules. There is no one who can make them account for doing this. This is one of the big problems with the EU dictatorship.0 -
Yes vested interests of selfish people again.That is what protests for "their future and their descendents future" is. Selfish people who don't care about the interests of the people who voted leave only what they want.
Leave voters really are the most angry winners I have ever seen and would be protesting if the vote had gone the other way.
Leave voters love to bleat on about democracy and then argue at a peaceful protest. To do so is in itself completely undemocratic.So there was personal gain especially on the part of the organisers who got "a good turn out" mostly of people who didn't know why they were there. How can people who didn't know why they were there or what the protest was about not have been manipulated by someone?
The protest was about gaining a vote for the people with the option to remain. Many leading Brexiteers were for this plan before the referendum, including the Leader of the Europeans research Group, Jacob Rees-Mogg,
Putting a matter to the people is the highest form of democracy, so again, complaining about protesting for it is undemocratic.
There was no personal gain for anyone, the plan is to put pressure on the government. In a democracy a peaceful protest is a reasonable way of doing this.💙💛 💔0 -
They don't care about breaking their own rules. There is no one who can make them account for doing this. This is one of the big problems with the EU dictatorship.
a negotiated "no deal" is still a conclusion. If we time out due to the UK refusing to negotiate then I'm not sure what else the EU can do. I'm also not sure about the penalty for violating A50 would be, or who'd bring it to the ECJ.
The wording of A50 is to prevent the EU from ignoring the UK or negotiating in bad faith, not to force the EU to accept any of the UK's demands. I don't think anyone thought the leaving state would spend the 2 year window refusing to say what it wants.0 -
CKhalvashi wrote: »
But is remain a realistic option I don't see anyone pointing out that it is far from clear if we can unilaterally withdraw article 50 and if we can remain what terms will it be on.Yes vested interests of selfish people again.
Leave voters really are the most angry winners I have ever seen and would be protesting if the vote had gone the other way.
Leave voters love to bleat on about democracy and then argue at a peaceful protest. To do so is in itself completely undemocratic.
The protest was about gaining a vote for the people with the option to remain. Many leading Brexiteers were for this plan before the referendum, including the Leader of the Europeans research Group, Jacob Rees-Mogg,
Putting a matter to the people is the highest form of democracy, so again, complaining about protesting for it is undemocratic.
There was no personal gain for anyone, the plan is to put pressure on the government. In a democracy a peaceful protest is a reasonable way of doing this.0 -
But is remain a serious option I don't see anyone pointing out that it is far from clear if we can unilaterally withdraw article 50 and if we can remain what terms will it be on.
It should be considered IMO, as it will put the final nail in the coffin for Remain (I say that as an ardent Remainer). A 3 way vote with a run-off if there was no overall majority in the first round would be my preferred option to ensure all the bases are covered.
We can unilaterally withdraw A50 (apparently). The matter is to go before the ECJ for formal judgement on the matter.
The exact terms I am not sure. There were voices stating that the rebate may go, however that will likely be it. I would expect it to be reasonable to contribute to the costs the EU have faced in dealing with the matter.
The above would ensure we are working on facts we know now (or will when it comes) and are genuinely acting in the interests of what the public wants.💙💛 💔0 -
I believe it's the Irish taking it to court so we will have to see but the relationship has been soured and if it they say we can you can be sure that the EU will want to take away our privileges. I wouldn't vote remain again if I thought there was a chance we would lose veto and or be expected to join Euro.CKhalvashi wrote: »It should be considered IMO, as it will put the final nail in the coffin for Remain (I say that as an ardent Remainer). A 3 way vote with a run-off if there was no overall majority in the first round would be my preferred option to ensure all the bases are covered.
We can unilaterally withdraw A50 (apparently). The matter is to go before the ECJ for formal judgement on the matter.
The exact terms I am not sure. There were voices stating that the rebate may go, however that will likely be it. I would expect it to be reasonable to contribute to the costs the EU have faced in dealing with the matter.
The above would ensure we are working on facts we know now (or will when it comes) and are genuinely acting in the interests of what the public wants.0
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