Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

ukcarper

Moby wrote: »

I agree....it says a lot about me and 700, 000 others who marched in London yesterday and had a great time. There was a wonderful atmosphere and no trouble.

You can't answer the question what is wrong with feeling English.

The death penalty point got me thinking so I googled death penalty polls U.K. first result was support for death penalty fall below 50% it's just below, next result as if it was bad 50% of leave voters support death penalty well what a surprise they are the same as population in general.

wunferall

Moby wrote: »

I agree....it says a lot about me and 700, 000 others who marched in London yesterday and had a great time. There was a wonderful atmosphere and no trouble.

What a shame then that they feel it so necessary to resort to lies and manipulation as a means of convincing others that they are supposedly wrong.

Moby

ukcarper wrote: »

You can't answer the question what is wrong with feeling English.

The death penalty point got me thinking so I googled death penalty polls U.K. first result was support for death penalty fall below 50% it's just below, next result as if it was bad 50% of leave voters support death penalty well what a surprise they are the same as population in general.

Good article on some recent research carried out by the LSE. Incidentally Anthony Heath is a brilliant Social Scientist to whom I owe a lot. The article is all about social identity theory and being in a 'in' group and the emphasis on 'nationalism' and 'ethnic identity'. Look at table 2:-

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/englishness-racism-brexit/

ukcarper

Moby wrote: »

Good article on some recent research carried out by the LSE. It's all about social identity theory and being in a 'in' group and the emphasis on 'nationalism' and 'ethnic identity'. Look at table 2:-

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/englishness-racism-brexit/

No I take no notice of articles like that I can assure feeling French in France would not be considered a problem and I don't see why feeling English in England should be I do and I voted remain. The problem as far as I can see with some hard remainers is they can't accept that people have different views to them and if they do they must be some kind of Racist etc.

Going back to JRF here are a few figures for minimum income for good standard of living

Clothing £765 a year, Social and cultural activities £4000 a year and I'm suppose to take them seriously.

Moby

ukcarper wrote: »

No I take no notice of articles like that I can assure feeling French in France would not be considered a problem and I don't see why feeling English in England should be I do and I voted remain. The problem as far as I can see with some hard remainers is they can't accept that people have different views to them and if they do they must be some kind of Racist etc.

Going back to JRF here are a few figures for minimum income for good standard of living

Clothing £765 a year, Social and cultural activities £4000 a year and I'm suppose to take them seriously.

It's an article based on research, the fact that your 'feelings' don't agree with it is not really relevant.

wunferall

Moby wrote: »

It's an article based on research, the fact that your 'feelings' don't agree with it is not really relevant.

Then may I suggest you read the comments beneath your linked article.

This surely skews your sample.

And

Interesting but inconclusive.

It's somebodys opinion (or maybe interpretation might be more accurate) based upon limited data from limited research.
That is why it's a blog article.

ukcarper

Moby wrote: »

It's an article based on research, the fact that your 'feelings' don't agree with it is not really relevant.

Research is one thing drawing conclusions from it is another thing all together.

How did JRF decide you need to spend £4000 on social and cultural activities or £765 a year on clothes

wunferall

It's strange that amongst the deluge of posts recently nobody's mentioned this from Robert Peston.

Dominic Raab undermines Theresa May on Brexit transition

And a no-deal Brexit looks more and more likely.

Yup.
That's why there is so much remainer (now how was it described earlier? Ah yes ...) "frothing".


https://www.itv.com/news/2018-10-21/dominic-raab-undermines-theresa-may-on-brexit-transition/

cogito

wunferall wrote: »

It's strange that amongst the deluge of posts recently nobody's mentioned this from Robert Peston.


Yup.
That's why there is so much remainer (now how was it described earlier? Ah yes ...) "frothing".


https://www.itv.com/news/2018-10-21/dominic-raab-undermines-theresa-may-on-brexit-transition/

The linked article at the bottom is even more interesting.

http://www.itv.com/news/2018-10-20/leading-brexiter-tries-to-kill-northern-ireland-backstop/

At some point, May is going to have to realise that the game is up and abandon her Chequers plan that nobody but she believes in. If we are heading for a no deal Brexit, as I believe we are, May needs to appoint a Brexit cabinet limited to members who do actually believe in getting us out. Churchill appointed a similar war cabinet in 1940.

AIUI, the knives are out for May with 47 out of the 48 letters required for a leadership challenge handed in and another 11 possibles. A stalking horse has already put himself forward. Of course, if you are going to mount a leadership challenge, you have to be confident of winning as under party rules, there couldn't be another for 12 months. The thought of May remaining in office past Brexit day is scary.

Thrugelmir

cogito wrote: »

At some point, May is going to have to realise that the game is up and abandon her Chequers plan that nobody but she believes in.

Nobody else has come up with an alternative plan that the EU themselves will accept. If as Barnier says that 90% of issues are resolved. Then Chequers as a base for discussion has succeeded. At least she has explored every option. I would regard it as a gross failure if she didn't. Certainly wouldn't be representing the interests of the entire electorate. Hard Brexit shouldn't be a default position. Politics aside. No one benefits from same. Shame Labour continues to play games rather than address the challenges. A clear indication as to how shallow Corbyn and his puppet masters are.

The thought of May remaining in office past Brexit day is scary.

Perhaps she'll step down voluntarily. Must be exhausting dealing with constant negativism from all directions.