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Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

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  • Moby wrote: »
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1034387/Brexit-news-Theresa-May-conservative-party-no-confidence-vote-show-trial-1922-committee
    Don't usually quote from a right wing rag like the Express but this does stand out. How decent people can support politicians who have such views beggars belief:-

    Oh dear, things must be desperate for the remain faction when they start using their hated Daily Express!
    :rotfl: :rotfl:

    They aren't using their noddles either.
    As usual.
    ;)
    A vote of no confidence in May = a new Tory Leader.
    Jacob Rees-Mogg here we come!
    :D
  • Moby
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    wunferall wrote: »
    Oh dear, things must be desperate for the remain faction when they start using their hated Daily Express!
    :rotfl: :rotfl:

    They aren't using their noddles either.
    As usual.
    ;)
    A vote of no confidence in May = a new Tory Leader.
    Jacob Rees-Mogg here we come!
    :D

    I think JRM prefers working away on the sidelines rather than being a front man. My money would be on Davis as an interim leader to see them through the crisis and then someone like Raab or Mordant.
  • Cakeguts
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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40726868 Here is an interesting thing. Compared to this.




    https://cleantechnica.com/2018/06/21/is-the-german-car-industry-losing-the-electric-race/


    I think this means that the UK will not be importing as many German cars and the rest of the EU won't be buying them either?
  • Arklight
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    The advantages of being out of the eu have been given repeatedly on this thread.

    The fact you do not agree they are advantages does not mean that they are not.

    Equally, the "advantages" listed by Remainers are often seen as the opposite by Leavers.

    I voted Remain, but have come to realise that if we stayed in the eu would evolve into a single country within a few years, their stated aim is "ever closer union" after all. That is something I most certainly would not want, neither would I want to be forced to join the euro which is something they seem to be planning, after all they have not ruined all the economies in the eu (thereby forcing them to stay within the eu) yet, that seems to be the aim of the euro.

    People give what they perceive as advantages on either side, they are seen as disadvantages by the other side, so it cannot be done because it would not be accepted as advantageous by the other side.

    No they haven't. Blubbing Daily Mail headlines about interfering eurocrats stealing your freedom when you can't name a single instance of this happening, is not listing an advantage.

    You hate EU laws, but can't name a single one that has inconvenienced you or that the UK has formally objected to.

    You persist in complaining that EU officials are unelected while being apparently ignorant of the fact that they are appointed by elected officials of each constituent country, exactly like in the UK parliament.

    OK, it's not exactly the same as our Parliament. As a proud British patriot you have a hereditary head of state, a hereditary aristocracy ruling over you that still that has 92 hereditary Lords sitting in the second chamber for no other reason than accident of birth.

    Which makes them all right at home with the British civil service whose main recruitment criteria is whether you walk into the interview wearing a tie from Eton or Harrow.

    If only those corrupt Europeans would learn from us.
  • Arklight wrote: »
    No they haven't. Blubbing Daily Mail headlines about interfering eurocrats stealing your freedom when you can't name a single instance of this happening, is not listing an advantage.

    You hate EU laws, but can't name a single one that has inconvenienced you or that the UK has formally objected to.

    You persist in complaining that EU officials are unelected while being apparently ignorant of the fact that they are appointed by elected officials of each constituent country, exactly like in the UK parliament.

    OK, it's not exactly the same as our Parliament. As a proud British patriot you have a hereditary head of state, a hereditary aristocracy ruling over you that still that has 92 hereditary Lords sitting in the second chamber for no other reason than accident of birth.

    Which makes them all right at home with the British civil service whose main recruitment criteria is whether you walk into the interview wearing a tie from Eton or Harrow.

    If only those corrupt Europeans would learn from us.
    Oh they have.
    The most recent example is how Martin Selmayr got his new job as Secretary-General of the European Commission.
    ;)
  • Moby
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    Arklight wrote: »
    No they haven't. Blubbing Daily Mail headlines about interfering eurocrats stealing your freedom when you can't name a single instance of this happening, is not listing an advantage.

    You hate EU laws, but can't name a single one that has inconvenienced you or that the UK has formally objected to.

    You persist in complaining that EU officials are unelected while being apparently ignorant of the fact that they are appointed by elected officials of each constituent country, exactly like in the UK parliament.

    OK, it's not exactly the same as our Parliament. As a proud British patriot you have a hereditary head of state, a hereditary aristocracy ruling over you that still that has 92 hereditary Lords sitting in the second chamber for no other reason than accident of birth.

    Which makes them all right at home with the British civil service whose main recruitment criteria is whether you walk into the interview wearing a tie from Eton or Harrow.

    If only those corrupt Europeans would learn from us.
    Watching our House of Commons in action with it's arcane traditions and domination by grey old white men shouting down views they don't agree with reminds me of a Mervyn Peake novel or a Harrow debating event.
  • Interesting to see all the brexiteer frothing this morning - looks like they are increasingly worried about the amount of support yesterday’s march got, given their attempts to bad-mouth it.

    And then there’s this from the front page of today’s Sunday Times, as shown on the BBC website:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-45930370 And it’s the third front page image down.

    Under the headline “Whitehall war-games second referendum” it goes on to say “Civil Servants have started secret contingency planning for a second referendum, it can be revealed”...
  • Cakeguts
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    wunferall wrote: »
    Oh they have.
    The most recent example is how Martin Selmayr got his new job as Secretary-General of the European Commission.
    ;)


    This is what the ombudsman found on that subject.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45407247


    And still the EU has taken no action.
  • cogito
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    Cakeguts wrote: »
    Not only that but it seems fairly large majority of the people on the march didn't actually know why they were there. When I thought about it today I couldn't actually ever remember a protest where most of the protesters were protesting about something completely different to what was supposed to have been organised.



    The march was supposed to have been about a vote on the Brexit deal. However most of the protesters thought it was about a vote on a second referendum.



    The conclusion that someone can draw from this is that there several thousand people who voted remain without finding out what they were voting for. Getting the purpose of a march wrong is quite a good indicator of people who don't do any research into what they are being asked to do. I would like to suggest that anyone on that march who thought it was about getting a vote on a second referendum didn't know what they were voting for when they voted Remain.

    The organisers of the march also claimed that they were not taking a position either for or against remain. That's no doubt why you could see so many banners supporting leave.
  • wunferall
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    Moby wrote: »
    Watching our House of Commons in action with it's arcane traditions and domination by grey old white men shouting down views they don't agree with reminds me of a Mervyn Peake novel or a Harrow debating event.

    You're thinking of the wrong house surely?
    Either that or the old eyesight isn't what it once was.
    ;)


    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTRUbnFWArHqW7Xp_tb8S1o3oufLKM0mWLEwudflRWsKDzghX3l1g

    From https://news.sky.com/story/history-shows-house-of-commons-pairing-row-is-nothing-new-11446754
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