Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

melanzana

Dear Cakeguts,

If there was anything positive in Brexit for any of us (apart from the Farage wing and ERG), there wouldn't be any issue would there?

No positives have been put forward for the vast majority of people though and that is why people are very very nervous about this.

The young people today will have to pay for the sins of their elders very soon. I can totally understand where they are coming from.

wunferall

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

So latest estimates are that 700,000 people turned out at today's march for a second referendum.

700,000
:rotfl:
Utter carp and everybody knows it.
Yes there are lots but the numbers are estimates by organisers, so (being generous) divide by 10.
Worse (for remainers) is that the numbers are irrelevant when so many have been paid in some form or other to attend; that makes a mockery of the "protest".
With how often team remain are being proven wrong they are probably not afraid of further mockery.
:whistle:

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Governments don't always listen to the people, even when they turn out in the biggest numbers in a decade or more to protest - but what should be worrying the Conservatives is that marches of that size do tend to be on the right side of history...

Governments should quite rightly listen to the result of an official referendum and certainly not to a funded protest.
Governments that don't listen to the people tend not to stay as a government for very long and the largest group from the referendum were .... no matter what remainers try to say ..... those in favour of Brexit.
:T

melanzana

Can someone please spell out in easy terms what exactly we will gain from Brexit?

I mean on 29 March 2019, not ten or fifty years hence.

I would love to know really. It hasn't been spelt out up to now apart from the will of the people, gaining control of our borders (one border is scuppering this anyway, good on Vlad in Ireland).

So where are the advantages on Exit Day?

There will be a deal, and it will be a compromise. No one apart from some nutjobs want a No Deal.

wunferall

melanzana wrote: »

Dear Cakeguts,

If there was anything positive in Brexit for any of us (apart from the Farange wing and ERG), there wouldn't be any issue would there?

No positives have been put forward for the vast majority of people though and that is why people are very very nervous about this.

The young people today will have to pay for the sins of their elders very soon. I can totally understand where they are coming from.

Tell us what positives there were for remaining?

Further integration; an EU army; accepting the Euro; increasing payments; decreasing sovereignty as more and more power goes to Brussels; etc. etc. etc.
They aren't seen by many as "positives" and that is why we will have Brexit.


The young people of today have been indoctrinated into an EU vision that is already being rejected by hundreds of millions of people across the EU27.
The EU must change.
The EU knows it must change.
But it cannot or will not.
So sooner or later something must and will give.
Instead of your vision, the young people of today here in Britain will very probably soon have very good reason to be extremely thankful for the actions of their elders.

melanzana

wunferall wrote: »

Tell us what positives there were for remaining?

Further integration; an EU army; accepting the Euro; increasing payments; decreasing sovereignty as more and more power goes to Brussels; etc. etc. etc.
They aren't seen by many as "positives" and that is why we will have Brexit.


The young people of today have been indoctrinated into an EU vision that is already being rejected by hundreds of millions of people across the EU27.
The EU must change.
The EU knows it must change.
But it cannot or will not.
So sooner or later something must and will give.
Instead of your vision, the young people of today here in Britain will very probably soon have very good reason to be extremely thankful for the actions of their elders.

Any link for hundreds of millions rejecting that vision?

Remainers do not have to do or say anything, they accept the status quo.

The EU is the envy of the US and Putin. Go figure.

The hubris of post colonial Britain is just jaw dropping.

Surely we are better in a family of 27 and having a voice, than being without a voice and in the wilderness of an island that will very soon be run by Trump. And Putin is pushing for the break up of the EU for obvious reasons.

I know which side I would like to be on anyway. Better be in the tent than outside.

wunferall

melanzana wrote: »

Can someone please spell out in easy terms what exactly we will gain from Brexit?

I mean on 29 March 2019, not ten or fifty years hence.

I would love to know really. It hasn't been spelt out up to now apart from the will of the people, gaining control of our borders (one border is scuppering this anyway, good on Vlad in Ireland).

So where are the advantages on Exit Day?

There will be a deal, and it will be a compromise. No one apart from some nutjobs want a No Deal.

There's no point any of us trying to tell you if you're already ignoring everything that has been written and said, is there?

I wonder if you stand at a football match and when your team have lost, stamping your feet and insisting that extra time keeps on being played until they win?

Or when your election vote counts for nothing because your council/government goes to the opposition if you petition them for a recount or - failing that - you harangue everybody you can think of and vocalise your complaints?


Please don't be just another "nutjob" as you put it that insists on being a pessimist when the people of this country voted for optimism.

wunferall

melanzana wrote: »

Any link for hundreds of millions rejecting that vision?

You want links for the still-increasing tide of populism across the EU?
:rotfl:

melanzana wrote: »

Remainers do not have to do or say anything, they accept the status quo.

The word for what you describe is metathesiophobia.

melanzana wrote: »

The EU is the envy of the US and Putin. Go figure.

Seriously, :rotfl: The EU has been trying to be like the USA since conception and is still failing. Dismally.
Putin laughs at the EU. Supposed sanctions yet he's increasing the pressure of his foot on the EU's neck with pipelines, earning his country billions.

melanzana wrote: »

The hubris of post colonial Britain is just jaw dropping.

Yet strangely it pales in comparison to that of the EU.

melanzana wrote: »

Surely we are better in a family of 27 and having a voice, than being without a voice and in the wilderness of an island that will very soon be run by Trump. And Putin is pushing for the break up of the EU for obvious reasons.

We've been through this and the general consensus of opinion is that the UK had no real power as an EU member, always being overruled by the Germany/France combo.
Read back in the thread.
Your Putin/Trump rant is just that; a rant.

melanzana wrote: »

I know which side I would like to be on anyway. Better be in the tent than outside.

You have a choice.
But if you ARE wanting to be "in the tent" you might not have long to get into it.

Arklight

melanzana wrote: »

Can someone please spell out in easy terms what exactly we will gain from Brexit?

I mean on 29 March 2019, not ten or fifty years hence.

I would love to know really. It hasn't been spelt out up to now apart from the will of the people, gaining control of our borders (one border is scuppering this anyway, good on Vlad in Ireland).

So where are the advantages on Exit Day?

There will be a deal, and it will be a compromise. No one apart from some nutjobs want a No Deal.

A bunch of xenophobic pensioners and dim racists who think leaving the EU will somehow have something to do with Muslims will get to have a day of celebration.

wunferall

Arklight wrote: »

A bunch of xenophobic pensioners and dim racists who think leaving the EU will somehow have something to do with Muslims will get to have a day of celebration.

Ah, the voice of reason returns.
:rotfl:

melanzana

wunferall wrote: »

There's no point any of us trying to tell you if you're already ignoring everything that has been written and said, is there?

I wonder if you stand at a football match and when your team have lost, stamping your feet and insisting that extra time keeps on being played until they win?

Or when your election vote counts for nothing because your council/government goes to the opposition if you petition them for a recount or - failing that - you harangue everybody you can think of and vocalise your complaints?


Please don't be just another "nutjob" as you put it that insists on being a pessimist when the people of this country voted for optimism.

So that's another "I haven't got a clue what the benefits are but the people have spoken" comment. Honestly.

Can you point out what optimism we should have? I mean in real terms not soundbytes.

Will we immediately have control of borders
Will we immediately have friction free trading
Will we immediately have all the rules that keep us safe like employment law, food regs etc. etc.
Will we immediately have freedom to go and live in the EU and enjoy the reciprocal arrangements that currently apply.
Will our kids be able to avail of free or cheaper University Education anywhere in the EU
Will our kids be able to move freely and gain experience within the EU
Will our kids be able to avail of the Erasmus Program

Those are just some of the things we will lose on exit day. Unless there is a deal and a transition period. But will all be gone when the transition period is up.

I'm very sad that this will happen. I am not an agitator, just an ordinary Joe and I am quite fearful.

That is purely because there are NO positives being put out there for us.

If you can point some out to me, that would be great. Thanks.