Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

Why I visited Euro before we joined EU and never needed a visa and you can already visit some no EU countries without a visa.

You'll be able to get a visa waiver for a fee, but it likely won't cover earning money in the EU. Like the US system it'll likely only allow tourism or a job you're already doing. For some people that's not sufficient because they have businesses that span the EU but might not be big enough to brass plate.

Enterprise_1701C

Herzlos wrote: »

So apparently a third of Brits think there are "sharia no go" zones in England, with an unsurprising correlation to Leave voters:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-no-go-zones-muslim-sharia-law-third-poll-hope-not-hate-far-right-economic-inequality-a8588226.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1539780017

Which confuses me; if there were then why don't the EDL, well, defend us from them?
A racist being scared of large groups of foreigners hostile to racists doesn't a no go zones make. I've visited some and been made welcome and I couldn't be any whiter.

Why is it relevant? It's another data point on the rationalisation of some Leave voters, and racism has been validated by the referendum.
Apparently the Police are preparing for another spike after March 29th, though I don't know what that'd involve since they've had their numbers cut back so badly they can't do much of anything .

I can see why this would be linked in many minds to the eu, Merkel after all opened the doors to the so-called refugees, that seemed to include a lot of clean and closely shorn men, in fact the TV crews struggled to find patches of "refugees" that included women and children. A lot of moslem young men travelling through the eu to get to their chosen destination. A lot of them could indeed be refugees, the Schengen zone is a danger to everyone within the eu. Refugees should claim sanctuary in the first country they get to yet even Merkel was desperately trying to farm them out to other countries, and threatening sanction if those countries do not take their "fair share". She asked them in, she should deal with them. The simple fact is that an awful lot of them had just jumped on the bandwagon and were not refugees.

Genuine refugees would be glad of safety, would therefore be happy to live in a camp outside the war zone. And that is what the UK has done, we are assisting many camps just outside war zones, and those people would be able to go back and help rebuild when everything has been sorted.

It is worth noting that a lot of countries such as Syria require people to have ID cards and to carry them. It would not be too hard to ask that this be shown at the border. If people cannot show ID or papers of any sort then it should be assumed that they have destroyed them and they should be sent to a refugee camp close to the area of conflict they claim to be from, so perhaps those that claim to be from Syria but cannot prove it should be sent to refugee camps across the border in Turkey.

Don't get me wrong, I know we have responsibilities towards GENUINE refugees, but the eu Schengen area has caused real problems, a lot of people are entering illegally and expecting to just go to whichever country they want to.

Personally I will be glad when we are out, I think at the moment the eu is a real danger to our safety, if we were to stay in I am pretty soon our opt-outs would disappear and we would be in the Schengen zone before we could turn our head, it would destroy our country, but then the eu has destroyed Greece, is working on destroying Portugal and a few others. It is not working.

ukcarper wrote: »

Why I visited Euro before we joined EU and never needed a visa and you can already visit some no EU countries without a visa.

It was a lot easier before the eu, we used to get a day passport (a green card if I recall correctly,) and it was valid for one day, meant we did not have to have a proper passport for a hop across the English channel. That changed as soon as we were in the eu, nothing to do with modern day attitudes.

If the eu want us to have visas then fair enough, we should reciprocate.

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

You'll be able to get a visa waiver for a fee, but it likely won't cover earning money in the EU. Like the US system it'll likely only allow tourism or a job you're already doing. For some people that's not sufficient because they have businesses that span the EU but might not be big enough to brass plate.

But the majority are tourists and there is no need for a visa and there is no need for EU to introduce one for that. Travelling to Spain before joining EU was no more difficult than now and I went on a day trip to France without a passport in 60s.

CKhalvashi

ukcarper wrote: »

Why I visited Euro before we joined EU and never needed a visa and you can already visit some no EU countries without a visa.

You also needed nothing to begin residing in the UK from anywhere in the world.

Times have changed, this isn’t 1972 now

CKhalvashi

Herzlos wrote: »

You'll be able to get a visa waiver for a fee, but it likely won't cover earning money in the EU. Like the US system it'll likely only allow tourism or a job you're already doing. For some people that's not sufficient because they have businesses that span the EU but might not be big enough to brass plate.

Such is the position I find myself in.

We may have found a way to counteract the problem, but it will come at a far greater cost than now and will mean the UK loses out.

No further comment will be made on the matter.

Lungboy

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

in fact the TV crews struggled to find patches of "refugees" that included women and children.

Almost like they had an agenda....

cogito

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Such is the position I find myself in.

We may have found a way to counteract the problem, but it will come at a far greater cost than now and will mean the UK loses out.

No further comment will be made on the matter.

Perhaps as well. I've followed your posts on this topic and it seems that every single one of them is about the possible (and I use the word deliberately) impact of Brexit on you personally. You seem totally incapable of seeing the wider picture or to consider the possibility that things may not turn out as you pessimistically believe.

Thrugelmir

cogito wrote: »

Perhaps as well. I've followed your posts on this topic and it seems that every single one of them is about the possible (and I use the word deliberately) impact of Brexit on you personally. You seem totally incapable of seeing the wider picture or to consider the possibility that things may not turn out as you pessimistically believe.

A reflection of Europeanism. No real connection to the place you live and work. Just a self interested view as to what benefits the individual not the wider community. Many of whom will never be in a position to freely up sticks.

wunferall

Daniel54 wrote: »

This is tosh.

The rights to be an EU citizen were conferred on UK citizens by the U.K. parliament

They are in the process of being withdrawn by that self same Parliament as a result of a referendum that looks increasingly dodgy.

But for the sake of this argument let us take the result at face value.

Citizens of Switzerland and Norway have the right to work and settle in the EU.

As they are not EU citizens they do not have the right to vote for members of the European Parliament

Voting to leave the EU was ,in and of itself,not a vote to forego the right to work and settle in another EU country

This Government has chosen to opt to remove such rights from us and is entirely responsible.These are U.K. rights which will be removed by the U K Parliament,if that comes to pass.

No.
Your post is "tosh" and you know it.

EU rights are always conferred by the EU.
If they're not & the UK grants them, what is all the Brexit palaver about?
If the UK confers EU rights we can just say to the EU "we're going to continue them" and the EU can do bu@@er all.
Is that what's happening?


The government acts on behalf of the people; that's democracy for you.
These EU rights you harp on about were never asked-for by the British people .... until they were asked on 23rd June 2016.
The result was that the British people said they did not want to be a part of the EU and so of their "rights".
So no, "This Government has chosen to opt to remove such rights from us and is entirely responsible." is obviously not correct.

The British people decided to remove those rights.

If you don't like it that's fine, you're as entitled to an opinion as anybody else.
But please do not try to invent your own facts.

wunferall

Arklight wrote: »

That presumably made sense in your head.

Before you wrote it.

It presumably makes enough sense to those that thanked the post too.
What a surprise that blinkered remainers disagree.
Now have you any actual contribution to make other than negative and personal comments?

Nothing about how the UK's government acts on behalf of its' citizens maybe?
How about that if rights are conferred by the UK as some deliberately disingenuous remainers here suggest then we could just tell the EU what they are going to do and they will do it, since the rights are ours.
Right?
That would mean that we could forgo all the drivel we see in our media.