Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

CKhalvashi

wunferall wrote: »

:rotfl:
You're funny but okay, I will play along.

Nothing funny about the position, and no playing is necessary, only serious answers.

I think that you're perhaps a little confused.

Not at all. Nigel Farage and co said we could be like Norway and Switzerland, and only an idiot would leave the single market.

1 Your right to work in the EU27 etc. is no concern of mine but of the powers-that-be within the EU. That would also be one reason why the EU have answered your correspondence but the British side have not.
In addition, if you phrased your British correspondence in a similar manner to that of your post I can imagine that said correspondence was relegated to some kind of "posts of a questionable nature" pile.

They are of huge concern to me.

The current situation is unfair on those of us who have used our rights and now are looking at having them taken away. There is nothing questionable about my concerns at all.

2 You need to understand what the EU is and what it stands for. There are websites that will help you with this but basically when "I" (and over 17 million other British subjects) voted to leave the EU it was perfectly clear that this would involve our no longer being EU citizens.

Let me put this in context for you.

The vote was won on 51.8% of 72.2% of the electorate. That is a knifeedge in terms of majorities. As you know, the referendum was not binding, Leave voters are dying and Remainers are becoming eligible to vote in net numbers. Is this what you are scared of?

If that is illegal I politely suggest you take the matter up with the EU as they would be the ones removing this citizenship and rights, not the UK.
They are not UK rights (as you suggest but don't quite grasp).
Obviously these rights also would include your "continued right to work in the EU27 at my pleasure and my freedom of movement".
Again, these are not UK rights they are EU rights.

They are UK rights, as they are held by virtue of having a British passport.

The British government are insistent on removing these rights as a result of red lines that were not part of the initial referendum. Theresa May has created these red lines, not the EU. Theresa May has caused the problem, not the EU.

Hence your displeasure should have been voiced before the referendum because you're too late now; if you object so perhaps you might consider petitioning the EU since they (you tell us) will reply or consider relocation in order to continue your presumed-lost rights.

I will not be discussing this in any detail due to threats that have been made against me and my family.

It is nice (as you enjoy making the rules as you go along) to agree that you have no issue with me purchasing the cheap assets coming from an increasing number of liquidations and offshoring jobs to cut costs.

This will harm the UK further, in particular public finances, but it is what you voted for and I therefore assume you have no problem with it.

I do hope that you can find some comfort in the newfound knowledge that the real source of your predicament lays with your own prior misunderstanding of what leaving the EU actually means.
Please continue to direct your correspondence towards the EU since most of us already know how much they adore wasting their resources, so this will be right up their street so to speak.

An EEA agreement, as suggested by leading Brexiteers before the referendum, would not have resulted in a loss of these rights. It would also have been the most sensible option.

Suggesting there should be a second vote on the deal (as JRM did explicitly state) is purely democracy, to ensure the public is happy with thr arrangement. Why would you wish to deny the public the democracy you scream about?

1% of the UK GDP for everything we get in return from membership is amazing value for money. It is such a shame you cannot see this.

Here's wishing you pleasing dialogue with them.

At least they reply, unlike our own elected Members of Parliament on this matter.

Arklight

wunferall wrote: »

:rotfl:
You're funny but okay, I will play along.



I think that you're perhaps a little confused.

1 Your right to work in the EU27 etc. is no concern of mine but of the powers-that-be within the EU. That would also be one reason why the EU have answered your correspondence but the British side have not.
In addition, if you phrased your British correspondence in a similar manner to that of your post I can imagine that said correspondence was relegated to some kind of "posts of a questionable nature" pile.

2 You need to understand what the EU is and what it stands for. There are websites that will help you with this but basically when "I" (and over 17 million other British subjects) voted to leave the EU it was perfectly clear that this would involve our no longer being EU citizens.
If that is illegal I politely suggest you take the matter up with the EU as they would be the ones removing this citizenship and rights, not the UK.
They are not UK rights (as you suggest but don't quite grasp).
Obviously these rights also would include your "continued right to work in the EU27 at my pleasure and my freedom of movement".
Again, these are not UK rights they are EU rights.

Hence your displeasure should have been voiced before the referendum because you're too late now; if you object so perhaps you might consider petitioning the EU since they (you tell us) will reply or consider relocation in order to continue your presumed-lost rights.

I do hope that you can find some comfort in the newfound knowledge that the real source of your predicament lays with your own prior misunderstanding of what leaving the EU actually means.
Please continue to direct your correspondence towards the EU since most of us already know how much they adore wasting their resources, so this will be right up their street so to speak.

Here's wishing you pleasing dialogue with them.

That presumably made sense in your head.

Before you wrote it.

buglawton

gfplux wrote: »

Looks like the big concession from the EU of an extension to the transition period is gaining some traction.
Not sure this will help a withdrawal deal get signed.

Anyone who believes there will be a no deal will of course not be booking a holiday to an EU27 country until the situation becomes clear.

So Brexit bonus for British holiday resorts.

I was talking to a guy yesterday who totted up his business + leisure travel spending this year and came to about £25k in mainland EU. He noted that it was the high spending Brits that have been keeping many EU hotspots thriving for the past 20 years. Let's see what EU unity looks like if the the European Parliament says they want to make travel difficult for Brits.

snowqueen555

buglawton wrote: »

I was talking to a guy yesterday who totted up his business + leisure travel spending this year and came to about £25k in mainland EU. He noted that it was the high spending Brits that have been keeping many EU hotspots thriving for the past 20 years. Let's see what EU unity looks like if the the European Parliament says they want to make travel difficult for Brits.

You base that conclusion on one anecdotal story? Do you really think tourism from British people is propping up foreign economies?

Herzlos

buglawton wrote: »

I was talking to a guy yesterday who totted up his business + leisure travel spending this year and came to about £25k in mainland EU. He noted that it was the high spending Brits that have been keeping many EU hotspots thriving for the past 20 years. Let's see what EU unity looks like if the the European Parliament says they want to make travel difficult for Brits.

Yet in other parts of the EU English tourists are seen as a plague, so there may be some relief that the bar to entry, particularly for those stereotypical tourists, is higher.

I'm pretty sure the guy you were talking to yesterday will spend at least as much in the EU in future, if anything his business will shift focus from UK to EU depending on who he's visiting.

Herzlos

So apparently a third of Brits think there are "sharia no go" zones in England, with an unsurprising correlation to Leave voters:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-no-go-zones-muslim-sharia-law-third-poll-hope-not-hate-far-right-economic-inequality-a8588226.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1539780017

Which confuses me; if there were then why don't the EDL, well, defend us from them?
A racist being scared of large groups of foreigners hostile to racists doesn't a no go zones make. I've visited some and been made welcome and I couldn't be any whiter.

Why is it relevant? It's another data point on the rationalisation of some Leave voters, and racism has been validated by the referendum.
Apparently the Police are preparing for another spike after March 29th, though I don't know what that'd involve since they've had their numbers cut back so badly they can't do much of anything .

CKhalvashi

Herzlos wrote: »

So apparently a third of Brits think there are "sharia no go" zones in England, with an unsurprising correlation to Leave voters:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-no-go-zones-muslim-sharia-law-third-poll-hope-not-hate-far-right-economic-inequality-a8588226.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1539780017

Which confuses me; if there were then why don't the EDL, well, defend us from them?
A racist being scared of large groups of foreigners hostile to racists doesn't a no go zones make. I've visited some and been made welcome and I couldn't be any whiter.

Why is it relevant? It's another data point on the rationalisation of some Leave voters, and racism has been validated by the referendum.
Apparently the Police are preparing for another spike after March 29th, though I don't know what that'd involve since they've had their numbers cut back so badly they can't do much of anything .

If I receive any further racism and the police didn’t take it seriously, I would be looking to go along the lines of a private prosecution against those involved.

This will naturally be less cost-effective for the government than a public prosecution, however I am currently at the stage where I don’t particularly care.

I have rarely experienced issues of any sort here until 2016, however since then the situation has become worse.

I have never experienced a ‘no go’ zone yet have been to large parts of London and Birmingham, so areas with significant Muslim population. This leads me to reasonably believe they don’t exist.

gfplux

buglawton wrote: »

I was talking to a guy yesterday who totted up his business + leisure travel spending this year and came to about £25k in mainland EU. He noted that it was the high spending Brits that have been keeping many EU hotspots thriving for the past 20 years. Let's see what EU unity looks like if the the European Parliament says they want to make travel difficult for Brits.

Have you forgotten that one of the UK red lines is ending the freedom of movement.
Has it slipped your mind it works both ways.
In future there will be the normal issues for Brits of visiting a country like for examples USA and Turkey or for EU citizens visiting a country outside the EU.
Some of those visits will go smoothly but in the early days there might be long waits in place of sweeping through passport control.

My point was that those who have got used to those easy days should think twice about travelling shortly after a no deal as newly recruited, perhaps poorly trained border guards on both sides could turn a holiday into a nightmare.

At this time of year many familys in Britain and the EU27 are making holiday plans. There are many choices. My choice will be not to cross a border where there may be problems.

Herzlos

I'm sorry to hear that. Some of us are deeply shamed about our racist neighbours.

They absolutely don't exist; there's been plenty of efforts going to disprove the myth and no evidence confirming it beyond the occasional skinhead shaking a camera about and talking about how scared they are to walk down an empty street. Doesn't stop the right wing rags going on about it though.

ukcarper

gfplux wrote: »

Have you forgotten that one of the UK red lines is ending the freedom of movement.
Has it slipped your mind it works both ways.
In future there will be the normal issues for Brits of visiting a country like for examples USA and Turkey or for EU citizens visiting a country outside the EU.
Some of those visits will go smoothly but in the early days there might be long waits in place of sweeping through passport control.

My point was that those who have got used to those easy days should think twice about travelling shortly after a no deal as newly recruited, perhaps poorly trained border guards on both sides could turn a holiday into a nightmare.

At this time of year many familys in Britain and the EU27 are making holiday plans. There are many choices. My choice will be not to cross a border where there may be problems.

Why I visited Euro before we joined EU and never needed a visa and you can already visit some no EU countries without a visa.