Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Joan_number_1_2

Herzlos wrote: »

The attack happened after we triggered A50, surely? And after we threatened to shut off security co-operation with the EU whilst trying to avoid the divorce settlement?

We're still a member now, but that doesn't stop us looking weak now or in the future.

You do realise that you're contradicting yourself there because If our security isn't any good, what effect would "threatening to shut it off" have?

Herzlos

Joan_number_1 wrote: »

With respect I think you're trying to redefine what a prediction is.
Or maybe you set store by the likes of Mystic Meg & co., planning your life around their predictions?
That is no more crazy than paying serious heed to your beloved Brexit predictions of gloom and doom after all.

They've been pretty reasonable predictions based on the information available at the time. As that information has changed, the predictions have changed and the old ones acknowledged as being incorrect.

"One side" is not asking all the questions.

I honestly haven't seen the Brexiteers question anything in a long time that hasn't been meta - why is Brexit taking so long? Why are so many people trying to prevent Brexit?

"One side" is running out of ideas for the next wacky doom-laden prediction.

Very true, I think most of the negatives have been thrashed out by now. Some will happen, some won't. Some have satisfactory answers, some don't.



We're running out of time to sort things, so answers are going to have to start appearing at some point, and I'm quite looking forward to that.

gfplux

Looks like the big concession from the EU of an extension to the transition period is gaining some traction.
Not sure this will help a withdrawal deal get signed.

Anyone who believes there will be a no deal will of course not be booking a holiday to an EU27 country until the situation becomes clear.

So Brexit bonus for British holiday resorts.

cogito

gfplux wrote: »

Looks like the big concession from the EU of an extension to the transition period is gaining some traction.
Not sure this will help a withdrawal deal get signed.

Anyone who believes there will be a no deal will of course not be booking a holiday to an EU27 country until the situation becomes clear.

So Brexit bonus for British holiday resorts.

The only ones who are interested in an extension to the transition period are those who want to keep us in the EU. You can just see it happening - the extension will keep on being extended ad infinitum so that we will be a vassal state.

Fortunately, some MPs are to propose an amendment to the budget that will prohibit further contributions to the EU after the leaving date.

sevenhills

cogito wrote: »

The only ones who are interested in an extension to the transition period are those who want to keep us in the EU. You can just see it happening - the extension will keep on being extended ad infinitum so that we will be a vassal state.

Fortunately, some MPs are to propose an amendment to the budget that will prohibit further contributions to the EU after the leaving date.

You have been reading too many news articles, the only people to use that word is Rees-Mogg and Boris.
We are already in a deadlock, without further locks in Novembers budget. Nothing will get passed in Westminster, without a lot of luck.

wunferall

sevenhills wrote: »

You have been reading too many news articles, the only people to use that word is Rees-Mogg and Boris.
We are already in a deadlock, without further locks in Novembers budget. Nothing will get passed in Westminster, without a lot of luck.

What's that you were saying about reading too many news articles?
:rotfl:

I see that the thread remains as fractious as ever and that after only reading back a few pages.
Also that the lies and threats from the remain mob continue.
Will they never learn that lies and threats won't work?
Answers on a postcard please to:
M Barnier,
European Commission,
Brussels.

wunferall

Ah I see why the remainers here are getting their undergarments in a proverbial twist!
It's not been a good week for them or for the EU and here are a few highlights:

* The potential problem of Gibraltar has been solved.
One more fear the remainers can't use.
* Wages are up more than inflation, which is down.
Oh those nasty fact statistic thingy's!
* The UK deficit continues to fall.
Less for future generations to pay back; labour take note.
* The EU keep stalling making WTO Brexit more likely.
I note that the tone of Barnier & Tusk hasn't improved either.
* Any hopes of a Swiss/EU treaty fade; the Swiss say "no".
Remainers harp on about new EU trade deals but ignore the fact that a country which the EU surrounds doesn't want a closer relationship. The Swiss! That really should tell any sensible person all they want to know about the EU.
* Donald Tusk & Martin Selmayer almost come to blows, caught on film!
Isn't EU unity a lovely thing to behold.

There's no wonder some remainers are narky.

CKhalvashi

wunferall wrote: »

Ah I see why the remainers here are getting their undergarments in a proverbial twist!
It's not been a good week for them or for the EU and here are a few highlights:

* The potential problem of Gibraltar has been solved.
One more fear the remainers can't use.
* Wages are up more than inflation, which is down.
Oh those nasty fact statistic thingy's!
* The UK deficit continues to fall.
Less for future generations to pay back; labour take note.
* The EU keep stalling making WTO Brexit more likely.
I note that the tone of Barnier & Tusk hasn't improved either.
* Any hopes of a Swiss/EU treaty fade; the Swiss say "no".
Remainers harp on about new EU trade deals but ignore the fact that a country which the EU surrounds doesn't want a closer relationship. The Swiss! That really should tell any sensible person all they want to know about the EU.
* Donald Tusk & Martin Selmayer almost come to blows, caught on film!
Isn't EU unity a lovely thing to behold.

There's no wonder some remainers are narky.

Have you sorted out my continued right to work in the EU27 at my pleasure and my freedom of movement?

You never voted to take it away from me, you simply voted to leave the EU. Any attempt to do so is therefore illegal.

The EU have answered all of my correspondence on the matter, the British side have not.

wunferall

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Have you sorted out my continued right to work in the EU27 at my pleasure and my freedom of movement?

You never voted to take it away from me, you simply voted to leave the EU. Any attempt to do so is therefore illegal.

The EU have answered all of my correspondence on the matter, the British side have not.

:rotfl:
You're funny but okay, I will play along.



I think that you're perhaps a little confused.

1 Your right to work in the EU27 etc. is no concern of mine but of the powers-that-be within the EU. That would also be one reason why the EU have answered your correspondence but the British side have not.
In addition, if you phrased your British correspondence in a similar manner to that of your post I can imagine that said correspondence was relegated to some kind of "posts of a questionable nature" pile.

2 You need to understand what the EU is and what it stands for. There are websites that will help you with this but basically when "I" (and over 17 million other British subjects) voted to leave the EU it was perfectly clear that this would involve our no longer being EU citizens.
If that is illegal I politely suggest you take the matter up with the EU as they would be the ones removing this citizenship and rights, not the UK.
They are not UK rights (as you suggest but don't quite grasp).
Obviously these rights also would include your "continued right to work in the EU27 at my pleasure and my freedom of movement".
Again, these are not UK rights they are EU rights.

Hence your displeasure should have been voiced before the referendum because you're too late now; if you object so perhaps you might consider petitioning the EU since they (you tell us) will reply or consider relocation in order to continue your presumed-lost rights.

I do hope that you can find some comfort in the newfound knowledge that the real source of your predicament lays with your own prior misunderstanding of what leaving the EU actually means.
Please continue to direct your correspondence towards the EU since most of us already know how much they adore wasting their resources, so this will be right up their street so to speak.

Here's wishing you pleasing dialogue with them.

Daniel54

wunferall wrote: »

:rotfl:
You're funny but okay, I will play along.



I think that you're perhaps a little confused.

1 Your right to work in the EU27 etc. is no concern of mine but of the powers-that-be within the EU. That would also be one reason why the EU have answered your correspondence but the British side have not.
In addition, if you phrased your British correspondence in a similar manner to that of your post I can imagine that said correspondence was relegated to some kind of "posts of a questionable nature" pile.

2 You need to understand what the EU is and what it stands for. There are websites that will help you with this but basically when "I" (and over 17 million other British subjects) voted to leave the EU it was perfectly clear that this would involve our no longer being EU citizens.
If that is illegal I politely suggest you take the matter up with the EU as they would be the ones removing this citizenship and rights, not the UK.
They are not UK rights (as you suggest but don't quite grasp).
Obviously these rights also would include your "continued right to work in the EU27 at my pleasure and my freedom of movement".
Again, these are not UK rights they are EU rights.

Hence your displeasure should have been voiced before the referendum because you're too late now; if you object so perhaps you might consider petitioning the EU since they (you tell us) will reply or consider relocation in order to continue your presumed-lost rights.

I do hope that you can find some comfort in the newfound knowledge that the real source of your predicament lays with your own prior misunderstanding of what leaving the EU actually means.
Please continue to direct your correspondence towards the EU since most of us already know how much they adore wasting their resources, so this will be right up their street so to speak.

Here's wishing you pleasing dialogue with them.

This is tosh.

The rights to be an EU citizen were conferred on UK citizens by the U.K. parliament

They are in the process of being withdrawn by that self same Parliament as a result of a referendum that looks increasingly dodgy.

But for the sake of this argument let us take the result at face value.

Citizens of Switzerland and Norway have the right to work and settle in the EU.

As they are not EU citizens they do not have the right to vote for members of the European Parliament

Voting to leave the EU was ,in and of itself,not a vote to forego the right to work and settle in another EU country

This Government has chosen to opt to remove such rights from us and is entirely responsible.These are U.K. rights which will be removed by the U K Parliament,if that comes to pass.