Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Joan_number_1_2

Moby wrote: »

I agree we are adrift Joan and will be so for years....how do you like May's plan to keep us in a Customs 'arrangement'? Will it work for you?

It's a funny "adrift" when we are doing okay as a country.
No evidence whatsoever of being "adrift".
You're way behind the times and listening to media scare stories again, aren't you?

The prime minister would "never agree" to a permanent customs union with the EU

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45831664

May will never agree deal that could permanently keep UK in a customs union - spokeswoman

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-backstop-may/may-will-never-agree-deal-that-could-permanently-keep-uk-in-a-customs-union-spokeswoman-idUKKCN1MM17O?il=0

Personally I think I will wait on hard facts before commenting what I think about Brexit customs unions etc.thank you. Though I agree with Steve Baker who said that it is

“effectively committing the UK to membership of the single market and customs union”.
“That won’t wash. The British people voted to take back control over money, laws borders and trade”

Of course if they can't agree it means a no-deal Brexit is the most likely outcome.
Why do you seem to be pushing in that direction rather than being grateful of what you might get in terms of this customs arrangement?

Joan_number_1_2

What EU citizens really think of the EU.

Close to two out of three Europeans aren’t convinced life would be any worse without the European Union, according to a new survey published Thursday.

Almost half (49 percent) reckon the bloc is “irrelevant.”

https://www.politico.eu/article/life-not-worse-without-eu-friends-of-europe-survey-finds/

andrewf75

You didn't get as far as this bit though, did you?

"However, Europeans don’t want “less Europe,” the study found, with 90 percent of respondents saying the EU should be more than just a single market. Eighty-one percent of those surveyed said they do not think the EU should prioritize leaving more decision-making to national governments, which the think tank said “suggests that national sovereignty isn’t an issue for the majority.”

People everywhere have reservations about the EU of course, but sadly it seems we're out on our own in thinking the answer is to simply stop working together and go off on our own.

Moby

Joan_number_1 wrote: »

It's a funny "adrift" when we are doing okay as a country.
No evidence whatsoever of being "adrift".
You're way behind the times and listening to media scare stories again, aren't you?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45831664

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-backstop-may/may-will-never-agree-deal-that-could-permanently-keep-uk-in-a-customs-union-spokeswoman-idUKKCN1MM17O?il=0

Personally I think I will wait on hard facts before commenting what I think about Brexit customs unions etc.thank you. Though I agree with Steve Baker who said that it is

Of course if they can't agree it means a no-deal Brexit is the most likely outcome.
Why do you seem to be pushing in that direction rather than being grateful of what you might get in terms of this customs arrangement?

Do you believe May then? I think a Customs arrangement is the best way forward....of course the Labour Party have been saying this for months. It is of course the least worst option, we'll be forced to accept EU rules and Tariffs and have no say but it will avoid the most damaging effects of brexit. Of course I am 'pushing' in that direction in order to point out how hopeless the whole cause is. This man knew what he was talking about:- https://share.trin.cam.ac.uk/sites/public/Comms/Rogers_brexit_as_revolution.pdf

andrewf75

A customs union is obviously the best compromise, but we should do it honestly and just be straight with those who won't like it instead of this attempt to create a fudge that basically keeps us in a sort-of customs union but pretends otherwise. The people aren't that gullible. You can't please everyone. More than half would be happy so just grow a pair and be straight with people. The way May is going she is going to alienate everyone. Its a very dangerous game to be still trying to please everyone at this late stage. Alternatively if the choice is to not have any customs union, then the same logic applies - be honest about it and admit that we need a border in Ireland and that trade is not going to be frictionless!

cogito

andrewf75 wrote: »

A customs union is obviously the best compromise

Only a remainer could believe that.

That said, this leaver would accept a strictly time limited 'arrangement' (aren't words like that so convenient) as an open ended one would leave us chained to the EU corpse indefinitely.

Thrugelmir

andrewf75 wrote: »

You didn't get as far as this bit though, did you?

" Eighty-one percent of those surveyed said they do not think the EU should prioritize leaving more decision-making to national governments, which the think tank said “suggests that national sovereignty isn’t an issue for the majority.”

I read that as sovereignty is still important. :think:

kabayiri

Does the Customs arrangement also mean adhering to central arbitration?

I really don't think the UK have a choice but to accept now, tbh.

Shipping could leave UK ports for those in Rotterdam, and without an agreed contract, the tugs just won't come out to bring the vessel in.

I half imagined that the last 2 years+ would have been spent working out alternate arrangements covering things like this. What did this Brexit implementation team actually do?

cogito

kabayiri wrote: »

Does the Customs arrangement also mean adhering to central arbitration?

I really don't think the UK have a choice but to accept now, tbh.

Shipping could leave UK ports for those in Rotterdam, and without an agreed contract, the tugs just won't come out to bring the vessel in.

I half imagined that the last 2 years+ would have been spent working out alternate arrangements covering things like this. What did this Brexit implementation team actually do?

I said right at the outset that the EU don't do negotiation and that we should have started preparing for no deal on the 23rd June 2016. That's the only thing that might have brought the EU to the negotiating table.

kabayiri

cogito wrote: »

I said right at the outset that the EU don't do negotiation and that we should have started preparing for no deal on the 23rd June 2016. That's the only thing that might have brought the EU to the negotiating table.

You have to prep, I completely agree.

It didn't matter how well negotiations would go. There could always be an 11th hour issue collapsing a deal.

Regardless of anybody's Leave/Remain stance, this whole episode does not reflect well on the political class at all.