Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

We still don't know what Leaving means, but it's not what Leave was promising the day before the referendum. That's why we need to ask the public.


Of those that voted Leave, we've no idea which ones wanted a WTO, or a Norway, or some more allowances or anything in between. We can't assume they all want the hardest of Brexits.




The trend still shows Leave going downwards and Remain going upwards.

If you look at all the data not much has change and in my opinion there would need to be a much bigger swing to remain. The second problem is now no one knows what remain means and l'm pretty sure that any future referendum would not be any different from the last in the amount of detail information and truth we we get on from both sides. As I said this could have been avoided by MPs not voting for referendum bill but they did and we are were we are.

ukcarper

StevieJ wrote: »

EU courts on EU internal market rules only, what is the problem with that? Isn't that what the Chequers plan is trying to do? FOM most of the ones that want to come are already here, and will allowed to stay. Anyway as has already been pointed out we have more control over immigration than many people think i.e. 3/6 month rule for finding a job then deportation, and not being a member of the Schengen area.

I think the chequers plan is a reasonable compromise but I voted remain I think FOM is the stumbling block. As for existing rules they should have been implemented but I believe that is not as easy as has been suggested.

StevieJ

Sapphire wrote: »

I have never heard anything from British remainers with regard to their viewpoint on maintaining our sovereignty as a nation. However, having noted the stance of the bureaucrats in Brussels since our vote, I am even more convinced that voting leave was the right thing to do, and I don't know anyone who has changed their minds on this issue.

The again I know quite a few. What is your view on the Sovereignty of Scotland (just out of interest)?

andrewf75

Sapphire wrote: »

Nonsense.

Of the people I know who voted to leave (including myself), we voted to do so principally due to the major issue of sovereignty, which is conveniently overlooked by the schills who scream 'rascists' to drown out the sovereignty issue each time it is mentioned. Moreover, leave won despite the remainers' scare tactics and forecasts of immediate armageddon should we vote to leave.

I have never heard anything from British remainers with regard to their viewpoint on maintaining our sovereignty as a nation. However, having noted the stance of the bureaucrats in Brussels since our vote, I am even more convinced that voting leave was the right thing to do, and I don't know anyone who has changed their minds on this issue.

I wasn't overlooking anything. There were plenty of valid reasons to vote leave, sovereignty being one of them. Not sure what you wish to hear from a remainer, but for me in an ideal world of course you'd have full sovereignty over everything, but in the real world I think its worth sacrificing a bit of that for the advantages of co-operation. But this was my point - any sensible person weighs up the pros and cons of their choice. Leave appealed deliberately to those who didn't weigh anything up and thought we could have our cake and eat it. Thats how they won the vote.

For the record I know 2 or 3 who voted leave who have changed their mind.

Herzlos

Sapphire wrote: »

Nonsense.

Of the people I know who voted to leave (including myself), we voted to do so principally due to the major issue of sovereignty, which is conveniently overlooked by the schills who scream 'rascists' to drown out the sovereignty issue each time it is mentioned. Moreover, leave won despite the remainers' scare tactics and forecasts of immediate armageddon should we vote to leave.

I have never heard anything from British remainers with regard to their viewpoint on maintaining our sovereignty as a nation. However, having noted the stance of the bureaucrats in Brussels since our vote, I am even more convinced that voting leave was the right thing to do, and I don't know anyone who has changed their minds on this issue.

How do you feel about Gina Miller and the change she within parliament?

Sapphire

Herzlos wrote: »

How do you feel about Gina Miller and the change she within parliament?

I beg your pardon?

Sapphire

StevieJ wrote: »

The again I know quite a few. What is your view on the Sovereignty of Scotland (just out of interest)?

Up to them to decide, if they feel it will be the best thing for them financially and in terms of being a sovereign country.

Herzlos

Sapphire wrote: »

I beg your pardon?

How do you feel about Gina Miller's legal action that resulted in parliament getting a vote about the Brexit deal? Patriot or Traitor?

evosy1978

I know many remainers who would now vote leave... They all have businesses and all now are realizing the benefits of breaking away from the EU's shackles of red tape which are imposed on them even though they trade outside the EU...

Herzlos

evosy1978 wrote: »

I know many remainers who would now vote leave... They all have businesses and all now are realizing the benefits of breaking away from the EU's shackles of red tape which are imposed on them even though they trade outside the EU...

Can you give us some examples?