Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

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Herzlos wrote: »

I don't think the GFA says anything about ID, but how do you check that ID without, well, a border? Or if borderless, do you expect everyone in NI or mainland UK to have ID to check? Just within a few miles of this "not a border"? Just for the ferry crossings?

Simple - we do not check it. It is the same as now.

Why bother? If, subsequently, illicit non Irish people try to get services, their illegal status will be established and they will be treated as ould any other illegal immigrant.



So you mean here, that anything going from Eire to the UK must go directly and not via NI? How do you enforce that without one of those border things?
What impact does that have on companies that already move stuff along that route?
These are the details if course, but if you must know.

Every product shall have it's country of origin and manfacturer prominently displayed.

Certificates shall be prominently displayed tstating that the product is cleared, or not cleared for sale in a) the EU and b) the UK. It shall also have prominrntly displayed a trading licence for the firm, and their Directors, handling the goods (production, transport, sale). The trading licence, of the firm as apropriate, which will cover all goods, will be withdrawn, for 1 year, for all its products if even one product is shown to be illicit. Funding of the scheme shall be done by confiscation of a sufficient amount of the firms' assets.

It will be tough on the Irish but not on the Northern Irish

The Border for incoming outgoing goods to the EU would no longer be in Ireland


Does that include everything someone carries on them? Say, someone in NI buys something from Eire as a gift for someone in England. Must they then courier it via Eire? How do you enforce it?

Peanuts - you don't do it, at least not routinely. If something cones to light o f importance, then prosecute.


No-one has said an open border means you can't have rules, but what we're saying is that there's no way to enforce those rules without violating the GFA. That's got nothing to do with the EU.
You miss the point, this is a No Deal scenario I'm thinking of.

I do find it amusing that since Brexit was all about protecting our borders with Europe to keep people out, that Brexiteers are now fighting so hard to have an unprotected border with the EU.

Think, please. The Irish have a border with the EU not being in Schrengen. They do not welcome criminals either. There is a filter there.


I assume the same arrangements will need to be done at Gibraltar? At least it's not got a GFA to deal with, just a lot of border crossing commuters.

Irrelevant

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wunferall

I wonder if - after March 2019 and our leaving the EU - the EUrophile whingers here will listen to their deity Gina Miller?

“Whatever happens at the end of the Brexit process we have got to draw a line under it,” ............. “Everyone is obsessed. Our bandwidth is completely taken up with Brexit. Our money, our time ... We can’t carry on like this. We need to make the best of it.”

Hear, hear!
:T
Any chance of the usual suspects starting now, maybe?


https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-miller/brexit-challenger-gina-miller-uks-battle-over-eu-membership-must-end-idUKKCN1M817I

buglawton

A referendum for membership of a reformed EU?
Tail votes to wag dog. Good luck with that.

gfplux

If Britain leaves the EU at the end of March 2019 I will do nothing to encourage Britain to rejoin.

Enterprise_1701C

The eu has already proved it will not and cannot reform.

cogito

Arklight wrote: »

It's much easier on the Express comments isn't it? Where you all may as well be the same (horrible) person...

You believe that all leavers are horrible people. What do you think that says about you?

Herzlos

I genuinely don't understand brexit. It was all about parliamentary sovereignty but the woman who ensured we got parliamentary sovereignty is demonized. Then it's about controlling our border with the EU except the only place with a land border which has to remain entirely open.

So if it's not about sovereignty or borders, what's it about?

Arklight

Herzlos wrote: »

I genuinely don't understand brexit. It was all about parliamentary sovereignty but the woman who ensured we got parliamentary sovereignty is demonized. Then it's about controlling our border with the EU except the only place with a land border which has to remain entirely open.

So if it's not about sovereignty or borders, what's it about?

Racism, mostly.

Tromking

gfplux wrote: »

If Britain leaves the EU at the end of March 2019 I will do nothing to encourage Britain to rejoin.

Get you!
How much influence do you think you have?

BobQ

Herzlos wrote: »

I genuinely don't understand brexit. It was all about parliamentary sovereignty but the woman who ensured we got parliamentary sovereignty is demonized. Then it's about controlling our border with the EU except the only place with a land border which has to remain entirely open.

So if it's not about sovereignty or borders, what's it about?

You do not have to be a racist to believe in Brexit but it does mean that you have to think less about the benefits and consequences if you have such views.

Your question is very valid, however. The most difficult issue for Brexit was always going to be the border. But those who now dismiss it as easily solved by simply ignoring the problem are guilty of rank hypocrisy when so many of the Brexit supporters spent months telling us that we needed to take back control of our borders