Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Joan_number_1_2

masterwilde wrote: »

Most have no idea about the real brexit. now you say If, well I ask you one thing...how do you resolve the Irish border?

Without it, no deal simple.

Now as for funding EU, last couple of years we have collectively given less to the EU than we have to Northern Ireland.

There is no international law stating that hard borders are necessary.
If the UK says there will be no border on UK soil then there is absolutely nothing the EU or the RoI can do about it .......... except put one there themselves on EU/RoI soil of they want to.
Who's problem does it become then?

There are posts galore in this forum about the so-called "Irish border problem".
The general consensus seems to be that it's just another EU excuse.

masterwilde

Excuse lol

I suggest those people read the international laws, rules and bilateral agreements.

For us to even trade on WTO rules, we need a border.

Without a border how do you expect customs and excise to monitor imports, specifically what the product is, what quantity it is, what tariff it is.

Now before you say we dont need that, guess what, you dont get a trade or bilateral deal done anywhere in the world without it.

masterwilde

So you and a lot of others expect the EU to place a physical border where northern meets southern Ireland.

1 - that breaks our Good Friday agreement
2 - that would be against international law
3 - we cant trade with any country in the world without borders
4- no country can trade with us without a framework
5 - we cant have a framework until we have borders

Does that make sense to those who think the border is not relevant.

Joan_number_1_2

Oh dear.
That's a lot of chuntering for something that hasn't been said.
Of course every country must have a border, they just don't by necessity need to be "hard".

If you really want to learn more as I said earlier there are other threads.
Try this one .......... I bet they will love you there.
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5900711/brexit-and-northern-ireland

Herzlos

How do you deal with immigration and duties without a border?

Why does anyone assume that no border is viable?

I was going to make a sarcastic post about forcing the EU to provide the border and then blaming them but I was beaten to it.

Joan_number_1_2

Herzlos wrote: »

How do you deal with immigration and duties without a border?

Why does anyone assume that no border is viable?

I was going to make a sarcastic post about forcing the EU to provide the border and then blaming them but I was beaten to it.

Maybe because they understand better than you?

As for the rest, well that's as old-fashioned as saying how can you do your banking without a cheque book and a physical bank.
Times move on and most is already done electronically.
And regarding immigration, in case you had forgotten we are an island.
That makes it relatively easy to see who comes & goes .......... apart from illegals of course.

Arklight

Joan_number_1 wrote: »

There is no international law stating that hard borders are necessary.
If the UK says there will be no border on UK soil then there is absolutely nothing the EU or the RoI can do about it .......... except put one there themselves on EU/RoI soil of they want to.
Who's problem does it become then?

There are posts galore in this forum about the so-called "Irish border problem".
The general consensus seems to be that it's just another EU excuse.

Do you have even the faintest understanding as to what a negotiated national border does; and why?

Herzlos

Joan_number_1 wrote: »

Maybe because they understand better than you?

As for the rest, well that's as old-fashioned as saying how can you do your banking without a cheque book and a physical bank.
Times move on and most is already done electronically.
And regarding immigration, in case you had forgotten we are an island.
That makes it relatively easy to see who comes & goes .......... apart from illegals of course.

If it was that easy, why is everyone making such a big deal of it?

Goods can be tracked electronically over an invisible border if people fill out the paperwork honestly, but nothing else is possible on account of there being no border.

I'm all for an open border but it seems to contradict all of the supposed goals of brexit.

BobQ

Joan_number_1 wrote: »

There is no international law stating that hard borders are necessary.
If the UK says there will be no border on UK soil then there is absolutely nothing the EU or the RoI can do about it .......... except put one there themselves on EU/RoI soil of they want to.
Who's problem does it become then?

There are posts galore in this forum about the so-called "Irish border problem".
The general consensus seems to be that it's just another EU excuse.

Quite. But are you not worried about all those Romanians and Bulgarians and illegal immigrants crossing the Med and making their way to this unenforced border.


Our Government should have been building a border infrastructure and wall across the border to show how serious we are about a no deal scenario. Instead we are weakly pretending that we can avoid having a border.


I have never wanted to leave the EU but those of you who voted for it need to deal with consequences of it and May's solution has just boxed her into a corner in which the UK will find it very difficult to control our borders or apply our own taxes which I thought was whole point of this charade.

BobQ

Arklight wrote: »

Do you have even the faintest understanding as to what a negotiated national border does; and why?

Evidently not.