Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Tromking

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Well that's a highly selective definition....

UK politics is infested with Far Right elements.... Farage is on the far right, works with Steve Bannon to try and whip up dissent across the EU, supported AfD and indeed Le Pen in the recent EU elections.

We do of course have a shedload of far right MEP's thanks to UKIP.

And the UKIP supporters currently infiltrating the Tories are every bit as far right as the majoritry of voters for AfD, SD, FN, etc, across the EU.

It's frankly risible to suggest that the EU has a bigger problem with the Far Right than we do....

Particularly given that a quarter of Brits (and a third of leave voters) admit to being racists.

The highly selective definition was chosen by someone else, so not guilty there.
UKIP is borderline populist but in no way could it be described as far right or fascist, it’s a complete distortion to suggest otherwise. You’ll be pleased to know that those MEP’s disappear in 200 days and compared to some of the bonafide fascists that other European nations send to Brussels and Strasbourg, the UKIP MEP’s are as nothing. If you’re still fretting about UKIP, be reassured that Brexit kills them stone dead electorally.

Thrugelmir

Tromking wrote: »

Just because people disagree with you on Brexit doesn’t make them far right.

What's being clearly shown in recent elections. Is the disengagement and disenfranchisement of many people by EU (Brussels) centralist politics. The pace of change has come too fast and too quickly one suspects. Rather than a natural integration over an extended period.

wunferall

Thrugelmir wrote: »

What's being clearly shown in recent elections. Is the disengagement and disenfranchisement of many people by EU (Brussels) centralist politics. The pace of change has come too fast and too quickly one suspects. Rather than a natural integration of an extended period.

:T

I read this yesterday from a Dane explaining why he thinks Denmark should leave the EU too.

In the last TV debate before the Danish EEC referendum in 1972 our prime minister, Jens Otto Krag, was asked what Denmark should do if England later left the EEC (they used the term England but probably meant the UK). Prime Minister Krag promised that in such a situation Denmark should leave together with England. That promise still has relevance. It is part of the preconditions for Danish EU membership that the UK is part of the EU, and it is only fair that there should be a Danish referendum now when the UK is leaving the EU.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/we-danes-should-leave-the-eu-along-with-you/

It makes interesting reading.


Of course our usual suspects will from this no doubt wrongly surmise: a pro-Tory stance; a Brexiters' opinion that Denmark will leave the EU forthwith; a Brexiter's opinion of the imminent collapse of the EU; etc. etc. etc.

Such devout remainers are not (as we know) concerned with the viewpoints of anybody who is not devoutly pro-EU.
Much like many senior Eurocrats.

wunferall

This one I can almost guarantee that certain remainers will rush to deny in their apoplexy .

"UK enjoys fastest growth in almost a year"

Gross domestic product in the three months to July was 0.6 percent higher than in the previous three-month period, the Office for National Statistics said

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy/uk-enjoys-fastest-growth-in-almost-a-year-after-world-cup-and-weather-boost-idUKKCN1LQ0VZ

We're doomed.

Herzlos

wunferall wrote: »

This one I can almost guarantee that certain remainers will rush to deny in their apoplexy .

"UK enjoys fastest growth in almost a year"

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy/uk-enjoys-fastest-growth-in-almost-a-year-after-world-cup-and-weather-boost-idUKKCN1LQ0VZ

We're doomed.

We just need a world cup and unusually warm summer every quarter and we're golden.

However...

Industrial output contracted by 0.5 percent over the period, hurt by falls across manufacturing, oil and gas extraction and electricity generation, and second-quarter construction orders fell sharply.

Daniel54

wunferall wrote: »

This one I can almost guarantee that certain remainers will rush to deny in their apoplexy .

"UK enjoys fastest growth in almost a year"

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy/uk-enjoys-fastest-growth-in-almost-a-year-after-world-cup-and-weather-boost-idUKKCN1LQ0VZ

We're doomed.

Thank goodness we are growing faster than Romania and Estonia,but slower than all other EU members

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/8963555/2-07062018-AP-EN.pdf/d65783a4-bb0b-450e-9497-415fd436e551

StevieJ

Herzlos wrote: »

We just need a world cup and unusually warm summer every quarter and we're golden.

However...

And remain in the EU

Tromking

EU side now concerned that Bojo may be in position to oust TM and consequently their hardball approach to Brexit might be in trouble. Cue less abrasive noises from Barnier re. getting a deal done in an attempt to prop up the PM and her chequers plan.
Interesting to see also that geo-politics playing its part now, apparently Marcon and TM both concerned that ‘Europe’ must not make an enemy of the UK during the Brexit negotiating period.
Clearly the calculation on both sides is that the U.K. must be kept within the bosom of the EU in the hope that a subsequent vote puts us back in.

kabayiri

Tromking wrote: »

EU side now concerned that Bojo may be in position to oust TM and consequently their hardball approach to Brexit might be in trouble. Cue less abrasive noises from Barnier re. getting a deal done in an attempt to prop up the PM and her chequers plan.
...

Do red lines become pink when political self interest is at risk?

Barnier makes warmer noises, but says little in reality.

I wonder who is whispering the loudest in his ear.

kabayiri

StevieJ wrote: »

And remain in the EU

If the political aftermath of such a remain decision was a swing to a hard right/hard left in UK politics, would you consider it a reasonable price?

I'm asking, not making any judgement here.