Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

antrobus

Arklight wrote: »

Do you understand what anti-semitism is? Actual anti-semitism. Not a term invented by the Daily Mail as a form of indignant pre-prepared virtue signalling for the use of people who couldn't find the Middle East on Google Earth if you gave them a GCSE Geography student and extra time?

Yes.

Or to quote Margaret Hodge, Corbyn is a "f****** racist and anti-semite".

I think Margaret Hodge knows exactly where the Middle East can be found.

Thrugelmir

Crashy_Time wrote: »

He fits the pattern of a vote just to upset the apple cart that doesn`t serve large numbers of people any more....Trump, Brexit..........? His We The People nonsense will go over well with tons of voters IMO, might even vote for him actually.

Trump is in tune with many many people in the USA. The belief being that voting for him was a vote for change.

Tromking

Arklight wrote: »

Do you understand what anti-semitism is? Actual anti-semitism. Not a term invented by the Daily Mail as a form of indignant pre-prepared virtue signalling for the use of people who couldn't find the Middle East on Google Earth if you gave them a GCSE Geography student and extra time?

Not surprisingly like most Leftists you equate Jews with the perceived excesses of Israel and fail to realise that Jews outside of the Middle East are being lumped in with that flawed perception.Couple that with yer average Corbynista’s view that the Western based Jewry are complicit with the capitalist conspiracy against the ‘workers’ and you someway to understanding the far left’s antipathy toward Jews.
You’ll never admit it, but your post was a bit of a giveaway Arky.

fatbeetle

But when push comes to shove...

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/09/07/voting-intention-conservatives-39-labour-35-3-4-se/

The latest YouGov/ Times voting intention survey sees the Conservatives on 39% (unchanged from last week's poll) and Labour on 35% (from 37%). Elsewhere, the Liberal Democrats are on 11% (from 10%) and votes for other parties stands at 15% (from 14%).

When it comes to who would make the best Prime Minister, this week's poll shows 34% of people prefer Theresa May while 25% favour Jeremy Corbyn. A further 38% answered "not sure" and 3% refused to choose.

Arklight

antrobus wrote: »

Yes.

Or to quote Margaret Hodge, Corbyn is a "f****** racist and anti-semite".

I think Margaret Hodge knows exactly where the Middle East can be found.

Yes, she probably does, as a member of the pressure group formed to ensure a pro-Israeli Labour governance in perpetuity, the Labour Friends of Israel.

http://www.lfi.org.uk/in-parliament/

Imagine that, A whole country having the unconditional support of democratically elected British MPs, no matter what it does, or to whom. Just for being there.

You can quote Margaret Hodge if you like, but now you need to give an example of why you agree with her.

What specific example, any example, of systemic anti-semitism and racism can you cite that supports your allegations that the Labour Party is a racist and anti-semitic political organisation.

Herzlos

mrginge wrote: »

Was he also talking to the Israeli govt as part of his neutral peace brokering?

I would have thought it very easy to shut this entire argument down simply by releasing all the pictures of where he was shaking the hands of the people on the opposite side of the argument.

He's always been clear in his disapproval of the Israeli state (which is not in itself anti-semitism), mostly on the basis of it's behaviour towards Palestine and Palestinians. It's just that people leap to anti-semitism when anyone criticises Israel on anything. I'm very much against what they are doing, and it's entirely unrelated to them being nominally Jewish.

He's also been on the right side of history on all the big votes.

I find it really bizarre that people can throw racist, terrorist or enemy of people claims towards Corbyn and the Labour party whilst wilfully ignoring that the Tories or objectively worse on every count. Are you worried he's going to make you pay more tax or something?

Crashy_Time

fatbeetle wrote: »

But when push comes to shove...

Brexit and Trump told us that polls are not worth a whole lot.

BobQ

Herzlos wrote: »

But I suspect that this is one of those cases where things are so polarised, and people have been conditioned into believing that Corbyn is the devil, that we'll never meet anywhere in the middle.

People can be conditioned into thinking he is the devil but I am more concerned by what he does

Whether Labour contains racists is a concern, but the fact that he does not seem to appreciate the electoral damage that will ensue from pretending that he can qualify what is racist behaviour and what is not. He has a better definition than the international community is not an answer that will impress floating voters.

His inability to accept criticism and respond to it personally is not going to win over floating voters. Blair makes a considered speech and rather than respond to it he sends one of his Rottweilers on to the BBC to attack the man rather than his message. Left of centre MPs elected only last year are being hounded by their local parties who represent a small part of the electorate. Intolerance again.


Most worrying is that at a time when domestic politics is focussed on Brexit, he shows not a jot of leadership and seems to treat it as a relatively unimportant issue.


I am no fan of May but at least she is focussing on what matters (however badly).

antrobus

Herzlos wrote: »

He's always been clear in his disapproval of the Israeli state (which is not in itself anti-semitism), mostly on the basis of it's behaviour towards Palestine and Palestinians. It's just that people leap to anti-semitism when anyone criticises Israel on anything. I'm very much against what they are doing, and it's entirely unrelated to them being nominally Jewish.

He's also been on the right side of history on all the big votes.

I find it really bizarre that people can throw racist, terrorist or enemy of people claims towards Corbyn and the Labour party whilst wilfully ignoring that the Tories or objectively worse on every count. Are you worried he's going to make you pay more tax or something?

I find it even more bizarre that people defend him.

"The recently disclosed remarks by Jeremy Corbyn are the most offensive statement made by a senior British politician since Enoch Powell's 1968 'Rivers of Blood' speech. It was divisive, hateful and like Powell's speech it undermines the existence of an entire group of British citizens by depicting them as essentially alien."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45333268

antrobus

StevieJ wrote: »

Not sure what your point is? I agree we could prosper outside the EU if we joined the EEA, but Brexiteers seem to think that is worse than staying in the EU?

It's not that much different in economic terms.

Not being in the EU, but being in the EEA, simply means that you are not subject to CAP and CFP. (That's agriculture and fisheries.) You still have to comply with directives (but have no say in them) and still have to stump up cash for the likes of Croatia.

Of course, any kind of access to the single market would require compliance with directives i.e, standards. I have no idea what's in the Chequers plan because I haven't looked. It might amount to something similar without the hassle of EFTA membership.