Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Enterprise_1701C

antrobus wrote: »

I wasn't responding to your post.

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Sorry, see that now.

Herzlos

antrobus wrote: »

Lloyd George sh***ed anything in a skirt. Driberg was a notorious cottager. Etc and so forth.

Are either of them relevant to modern politics?


It's also not news the Boris has been having affairs - it's one of the worst kept secrets in politics, with him being famous for trying to sleep with anything that moves, and claims of at least a few illegitimate children. The news is that apparently it became enough for his wife to kick him out.

Laying a wreath on the grave of a terrorist? Cosying up to various terrorist groups? Being a racist and an anti-semite?

I thought all of those smears had been debunked enough times already?


If it's the recent grave incident - he wasn't even in the correct graveyard. He talked to various terrorist groups as part of a peace brokering, he could have been more open in condemnation but he always seems to try to remain neutral. That's still a world away from actively courting them for arms sales like May seems to be involved in with the Saudis.
Racist? I've never seen any serious claims. Ditto the anti-Semitism, sure he should have adopted the standard and been more assertive in putting down the claims but that doesn't make him anti-Semitic. Neither do the reports showing the Labour party to be no more anti-Semitic than any other population group. That includes the Tory party which has a real open problem with racism and anti-Semitism.


But I suspect that this is one of those cases where things are so polarised, and people have been conditioned into believing that Corbyn is the devil, that we'll never meet anywhere in the middle.

Enterprise_1701C

Herzlos wrote: »

Are either of them relevant to modern politics?


It's also not news the Boris has been having affairs - it's one of the worst kept secrets in politics, with him being famous for trying to sleep with anything that moves, and claims of at least a few illegitimate children. The news is that apparently it became enough for his wife to kick him out.




I thought all of those smears had been debunked enough times already?


If it's the recent grave incident - he wasn't even in the correct graveyard. He talked to various terrorist groups as part of a peace brokering, he could have been more open in condemnation but he always seems to try to remain neutral. That's still a world away from actively courting them for arms sales like May seems to be involved in with the Saudis.
Racist? I've never seen any serious claims. Ditto the anti-Semitism, sure he should have adopted the standard and been more assertive in putting down the claims but that doesn't make him anti-Semitic. Neither do the reports showing the Labour party to be no more anti-Semitic than any other population group. That includes the Tory party which has a real open problem with racism and anti-Semitism.


But I suspect that this is one of those cases where things are so polarised, and people have been conditioned into believing that Corbyn is the devil, that we'll never meet anywhere in the middle.

He has invited his friends from Hezbollah and Hamas into parliament, stating could not understand why Hamas was considered a terrorist organisation, he invited Irish Republicans into parliament just after the Brighton bombing, he refused to condemn the IRA, he had been known to stand in honour of the IRA dead. I could go on, but this man is a known enemy of the people.

But then, that is not what this thread is about. Any criticising Corbyn seem to disappear.

mrginge

Herzlos wrote: »

He talked to various terrorist groups as part of a peace brokering, he could have been more open in condemnation but he always seems to try to remain neutral.

Was he also talking to the Israeli govt as part of his neutral peace brokering?

I would have thought it very easy to shut this entire argument down simply by releasing all the pictures of where he was shaking the hands of the people on the opposite side of the argument.

Enterprise_1701C

mrginge wrote: »

Was he also talking to the Israeli govt as part of his neutral peace brokering?

I would have thought it very easy to shut this entire argument down simply by releasing all the pictures of where he was shaking the hands of the people on the opposite side of the argument.

That wouldn't take much doing, just a blank sheet.

StevieJ

wunferall wrote: »

Here's one the usual suspects probably won't like.



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/09/07/europe-outside-eu-thriving-uk-can/

Paywalled but if you register you can read it free.
It makes a convincing case for being free of EU constraints.

Not sure what your point is? I agree we could prosper outside the EU if we joined the EEA, but Brexiteers seem to think that is worse than staying in the EU?

Filo25

mrginge wrote: »

Was he also talking to the Israeli govt as part of his neutral peace brokering?

I would have thought it very easy to shut this entire argument down simply by releasing all the pictures of where he was shaking the hands of the people on the opposite side of the argument.

It's the problem with the whole "Corbyn is a peacemaker" argument, he usually only talks meaningfully to one side in any conflict he gets involved in (and coincidentally it is usually the one fighting agaisnt "Western Imperialism"), and he also was a powerless backbench MP who had no actual authority or mandateto conduct any talks on behalf of the British government.

For me it doesn't remotely pass the smell test, the simpler explanation is that he engaged with groups like Sinn Fein because he was sympathetic to many of their aims, and I doubt his engagement with various Middle East groups is much different .

I say that as someone who would have traditiionally been a Labour voter in recent years and was a Labour member for a few years as well.

Thrugelmir

Anyone that voted 428 times against their own leadership while in power, i.e. against the whip. Cannot hold anything other than alternative views that are outside the mainstream. The question then is, how respentative is he of the wider UK electorate. In power would be a real concern.

Arklight

antrobus wrote: »

Lloyd George sh***ed anything in a skirt. Driberg was a notorious cottager. Etc and so forth.

Politicians can occasionally be a source of entertainment.



Laying a wreath on the grave of a terrorist? Cosying up to various terrorist groups? Being a racist and an anti-semite?

There is something wrong with your moral compass if you think that isn't as bad as indulging in the usual Ugandan activities.

Do you understand what anti-semitism is? Actual anti-semitism. Not a term invented by the Daily Mail as a form of indignant pre-prepared virtue signalling for the use of people who couldn't find the Middle East on Google Earth if you gave them a GCSE Geography student and extra time?

Crashy_Time

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Anyone that voted 428 times against their own leadership while in power, i.e. against the whip. Cannot hold anything other than alternative views that are outside the mainstream. The question then is, how respentative is he of the wider UK electorate. In power would be a real concern.

He fits the pattern of a vote just to upset the apple cart that doesn`t serve large numbers of people any more....Trump, Brexit..........? His We The People nonsense will go over well with tons of voters IMO, might even vote for him actually.