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boo_star

MB69 wrote: »

But as has been said, there is absolutely no way that MS record ALL conversation! Can you imagine how many games there are and how many people playing them?

How much space do you think MS has to store all the recordings?

BUt I do wish they did the recording.

Since someone has already said they deal with text-based infractions I can completely imagine MS holding onto all the conversations that have taken place between users for say, the last month.

Text doesn't take up much space to begin with and is highly compressible. Plus, MS has absolutely mind-boggling amounts of storage on their Azure Cloud service.

DCFC79

This is the problem with an 8 year old playing a game like fortnite. He/you can create a new gamertag and not tell anyone at school of the new gamertag.

Lip_Stick

pmduk wrote: »

But only if you're allowing your child to play a game that has been rated as unsuitable for children of his age. Whether it's popular or not is immaterial.

Why exactly is it unsuitable? Is it the fact that the characters are using guns? There's no blood involved, it's not scary, and the violence is far less than a Tom and Jerry cartoon. It's quite ok for a child to be able to run around with a nerf gun and accidentally shoot a friend in the eye though? The 12 rating is a joke really. It's perfectly fine even for an 8 year old imo. And do remember that a huge part of the rating is based on the campaign and the monsters involved, not the online only play.

Les79

powerful_Rogue wrote: »

No offence but he won't be the complete angel you make out except in front of you and his teachers.

I agree.

And OP does allude to the fact that their son gets loads of praise from teachers.

I taught 10 year olds for a brief period of time and I'm going to !!!! on some parades here but excessive praise was more likely to be directed towards students who either struggled academically (make them feel better about themselves) or those who had behavioral issues (reinforce positive behaviours). Well, that was in a mixed ability classroom so maybe OP's son isn't in a mixed ability classroom which makes it different.

But yea, teachers can be crafty gets and excessive praise doesn't always correlate with good behaviour/academic ability.

He would have heard awful langauge by other players, so will be fully aware of what things are etc.

Precisely. I don't think that element is reflected in the PEGI rating tbh...

Personally I think him coming home saying that the "friend" filed a false report to get him banned is just a good get out excuse so you still think he is an angel.

I do too.

As for the spelling from Microsoft - Could be the case that someone did report him for saying such a thing, Microsoft have listened back and just sent you the original report.

Aye, but also Microsoft is potentially pitching their script at the same level as the 8 year old boy; someone who may well use "u" as apposed to "you" because of their age.

As for taking Microsoft to court - Good luck with that one. They haven't unfairly banned him, they have banned him twice for effing and jeffing.

Well, if OP has some definitive proof that the ban was unfair then I think we should listen to their case. But I don't think OP has a voice recording of the gaming session in question. I would be surprised if Microsoft DIDN'T have that evidence though, given the session was played on their server.

I think OP has a super super simple solution. Remove the headset from the XBOX. Quite why OP hasn't done this already is one of life's great mysteries. You can play on the XBOX without speaking down the blower. Oh and bear in mind that an 8 year old who is confident enough to speak on a server which has multiple players (is it a 100 player deathmatch?) is probably confident enough to give it large on occasion.

Aylesbury_Duck

Lip_Stick wrote: »

Why exactly is it unsuitable? Is it the fact that the characters are using guns? There's no blood involved, it's not scary, and the violence is far less than a Tom and Jerry cartoon. It's quite ok for a child to be able to run around with a nerf gun and accidentally shoot a friend in the eye though? The 12 rating is a joke really. It's perfectly fine even for an 8 year old imo. And do remember that a huge part of the rating is based on the campaign and the monsters involved, not the online only play.

It's clearly unsuitable for OP's son though, who I doubt shouts, screams and swears at people while watching Tom and Jerry.

The rating is advisory and if you think this game is perfectly fine for an 8 year old under your charge, fair enough, but OP came on here specifically to raise an issue which included a description of his son's behaviour around the game which makes it blindingly obvious his son isn't old enough to deal with the game yet.

Lip_Stick

Aylesbury_Duck wrote: »

It's clearly unsuitable for OP's son though, who I doubt shouts, screams and swears at people while watching Tom and Jerry.

The rating is advisory and if you think this game is perfectly fine for an 8 year old under your charge, fair enough, but OP came on here specifically to raise an issue which included a description of his son's behaviour around the game which makes it blindingly obvious his son isn't old enough to deal with the game yet.

But it's not the game that's taught him to swear, he could just as easy be mouthing off like that in his back garden or listening to it in the playground. If he has been banned, twice, then I'd certainly move onto supervising his access fully, until satisfied that he was behaving, but in reality it could be any game, minecraft for example, that caused him to rage. It's nothing to do with the 12 rating.

Les79

Lip_Stick wrote: »

But it's not the game that's taught him to swear, he could just as easy be mouthing off like that in his back garden or listening to it in the playground. If he has been banned, twice, then I'd certainly move onto supervising his access fully, until satisfied that he was behaving, but in reality it could be any game, minecraft for example, that caused him to rage. It's nothing to do with the 12 rating.

An 8 year old shouldn't be "raging" on any game, be it minecraft or Fortnite.

That's the bottom line.

When I was about 10 I used to play on Quake on dialup. I used to BFG people right in the !!! (camping specialist) and my dad actively encouraged it.

So I'm not against breaking the "PEGI" ratings myself, but more about what you allude to with the supervising element. It might well have been picked up through the server games. It might well have been picked up in school. But ultimately 8 year olds shouldn't be raging online (and parents should be actively monitoring this to ensure that it isn't happening). For OP to take an 8 year old at face value is a bit iffy, and I am genuinely surprised that OP hasn't simply taken the headset away to combat the issue.

Lip_Stick

Les79 wrote: »

An 8 year old shouldn't be "raging" on any game, be it minecraft or Fortnite.

That's the bottom line.

When I was about 10 I used to play on Quake on dialup. I used to BFG people right in the !!! (camping specialist) and my dad actively encouraged it.

So I'm not against breaking the "PEGI" ratings myself, but more about what you allude to with the supervising element. It might well have been picked up through the server games. It might well have been picked up in school. But ultimately 8 year olds shouldn't be raging online (and parents should be actively monitoring this to ensure that it isn't happening). For OP to take an 8 year old at face value is a bit iffy, and I am genuinely surprised that OP hasn't simply taken the headset away to combat the issue.

I agree with that. I'm more having a go at the people who hear that a child younger than the rated age has been playing a game, and then act like the parent is the moors murderer or something. I wouldn't have an 8 year old just using a headset either, the volume needs to be coming out of the tv speaker too.

takman

Les79 wrote: »

Well, if OP has some definitive proof that the ban was unfair then I think we should listen to their case. But I don't think OP has a voice recording of the gaming session in question. I would be surprised if Microsoft DIDN'T have that evidence though, given the session was played on their server.

The servers for Fortnite are owned and run by the company that make the game which is partly owned by a Chinese Conglomerate.

The voice chat may be routed through Microsoft server but there is no way they would be storing any of that. It would take up a massive amount of data which costs them money. They would have extra workload for the staff who would have to listen to voice recordings every time a report comes in. They would also have the hassle of requests for the recordings from Police, FBI etc all around the world.
Then they would have to consider GDPR compliance and all the rule and justification that come with that.

It would require a lot of resources and cost for them to do it and provide little benefit to themselves.

AndyPix

I think the simple solution here is that when the ban is lifted, the parent supervises 100% of gaming activity for a while ..


If another complaint and ban are forthcoming and the parent has been there for 100% of the time then they know the accusations are unfounded ..


If no ban is forthcoming then perhaps it's time to question the childs honesty