Prepping for Brexit thread

maryb

I normally stock up my pantry come the autumn anyway in case of bad weather. I think I might start a bit earlier in case supermarkets start to hike prices once the technical leaflets come out. It's price gouging rather than actual shortages that concerns me

lessonlearned

maryb wrote: »

I normally stock up my pantry come the autumn anyway in case of bad weather. I think I might start a bit earlier in case supermarkets start to hike prices once the technical leaflets come out. It's price gouging rather than actual shortages that concerns me

Yes I'm an autumn stocker. I usually start mid to late October but like you I think I will try and start sooner. Trouble is I'm moving house very soon so I really have to wait until I'm in my new place, hopefully early September. Although I could perhaps make a start on some of the smaller lighter things like coffee. I do need my caffeine .......:rotfl:

Hopeless_Case

mardatha wrote: »

I'm the same fuddle - never before seen such a hoohah where one side cannot and will not accept the majority decision. if this is overturned then democracy is in trouble- because it will turn into the will of the bullies and loudest yellers, not the will of the people.
Plus if we get another referendum re Brexit then I'm damn sure I want another referendum re Independence :D:D

lessonlearned wrote: »

My thoughts too......it's deomcracy that's at stake here.

Just accept the vote, stop whinging and throwing your toys out the pram and get on with it.

People who truly cannot accept the results of a democratic vote with good grace should take a good hard look at countries where there is no democracy.

TBH I am far more concerned with the rise of religious fundamentalism. And not just Muslim......Christian fundamentalism is just as dangerous.

I just don't understand this at all, the right to free speech (within certain legal confines) and peaceful protest is a fundamental part of democracy for me. I'm a bit done with fighting about Brexit, nothing I can do about it and I don't want to see the country splitting apart, but one thing which gets my goat every time is 'You lost, get over it' :eek::o:D

lessonlearned wrote: »

I love the concept of passive solar gain.

Take a large brown glass container. Demi john is perfect. Fill with water, leave in the sun all day. Enough hot water to wash supper things or have a wash.

Free hot water, no expensive installation costs.

Another one who read solar gin - and I don't even like gin! :rotfl:

fuddle

I agree with you hopeless case and you do pin point fundamental underpinnings of our democracy but, for me, once we accept that it's ok to protest against the majority decision of our own, then we enter into choppy waters with democracy.

I do think that the 'you lost, get over it' speech is generally a retort after hearing an attempt to undermine the majority decision. Although a rude and abrupt phrase I think those who accept the majority decision, including Remainers, just want to get this transition moving in the right direction for the country.

This whole saga was born about by a politician who wanted to stay as PM. He's now long gone and we're in a mess. Democracy has done it's thing and if the result had been the other way I would accept it, accept the majority feeling, deal with my own disgruntled feelings and just get on with it. I can't see, and don't understand, the need to undermine the thought processes, question the intellect or hurl abuse at the majority of our own people. That, to me, is the slippery slope to peace and a dangerous situation to be in.

I feel that while we're fighting each other the politicians are gaining the confidence to do as they please while we're all distracted. What makes sense to me now is having a say about the negotiations, the white paper contents or anything to do with the deal and if anything doesn't suit then peacefully protest to the politicians, absolutely. For me, there is a real feeling amongst the PM that her wishes and ideals is what will happen and it's that that has my feathers ruffled along with how she's handled the whole sorry affair and how it's ok to keep us all in the dark for so long.

This fighting amongst ourselves, still, about the Referendum result isn't best really, I feel.

Floss

Fuddle well said

Hopeless_Case

fuddle wrote: »

I agree with you hopeless case and you do pin point fundamental underpinnings of our democracy but, for me, once we accept that it's ok to protest against the majority decision of our own, then we enter into choppy waters with democracy.

I do think that the 'you lost, get over it' speech is generally a retort after hearing an attempt to undermine the majority decision. Although a rude and abrupt phrase I think those who accept the majority decision, including Remainers, just want to get this transition moving in the right direction for the country.

This whole saga was born about by a politician who wanted to stay as PM. He's now long gone and we're in a mess. Democracy has done it's thing and if the result had been the other way I would accept it, accept the majority feeling, deal with my own disgruntled feelings and just get on with it. I can't see, and don't understand, the need to undermine the thought processes, question the intellect or hurl abuse at the majority of our own people. That, to me, is the slippery slope to peace and a dangerous situation to be in.

I feel that while we're fighting each other the politicians are gaining the confidence to do as they please while we're all distracted. What makes sense to me now is having a say about the negotiations, the white paper contents or anything to do with the deal and if anything doesn't suit then peacefully protest to the politicians, absolutely. For me, there is a real feeling amongst the PM that her wishes and ideals is what will happen and it's that that has my feathers ruffled along with how she's handled the whole sorry affair and how it's ok to keep us all in the dark for so long.

This fighting amongst ourselves, still, about the Referendum result isn't best really, I feel.

I agree really, and I wouldn't want to just stop it now, all it would do would be to leave half of the country furious and feeling betrayed. It's a mess but we have to try and find the best way through it. I think the 'leavers are racist/stupid' comments and the 'you lost get over it' comments are 2 sides of the same coin and obviously rile people up equally, and one does as you say often follow the other

The only thing 2 things I would say about not just accepting decisions are, if the vote had gone the other way, would Nigel Farage have accepted it and given up, and UKIP disbanded, and also, what if the referendum had been on something like bringing back hanging, or fox hunting, or even something like bringing back bull fighting, would people still think that they had no right question the result?

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I just wish it was all over, we're in that time like waiting for a doctors appointment that you think will bring bad news, it feels much longer than it actually is and makes you about as unsettled with life as it's possible to be. No wonder people are grumpy about the whole thing and very worried about what life will hold afterwards. Usually the reality is that the news is dealable with and the reality is nowhere near as bad as your imagination was telling you it would be. Tempers fray in this interminable heat anyway but add in the stresses of Brexit and having voted remain only to be unsuccessful in what you thought was the only viable decision on the referendum and I can readily understand the raised blood pressure in the posts.

We will make it a good life here whatever happens it's just what UK citizens are best at, the hurt and sense of injustice will fade and we'll ALL build a future that will be good and direct it the way that is best for the nation.

I've just had to smile, reading the Grandma's Larder thread and seeing them talk about marble shelves, keeping the milk cool in a bucket of cold water on the floor and having a meat safe all of which I remember in my childhood and the reaction to my poor old Bramble tea! life goes in circles and what brings ridicule today is usually tomorrows useful 'new' tip! Life's a funny old affair isn't it?

moneyistooshorttomention

Hopeless_Case wrote: »

The only thing 2 things I would say about not just accepting decisions are, if the vote had gone the other way, would Nigel Farage have accepted it and given up, and UKIP disbanded, and also, what if the referendum had been on something like bringing back hanging, or fox hunting, or even something like bringing back bull fighting, would people still think that they had no right question the result?

Not similar scenarios imo.

We are talking about moral issues there. I've got the "standard" opinion on fox hunting and bull fighting (ie against both) and pretty neutral on hanging (though probably veering towards "If they've done the crime then.....#shrugs").


Moral issues are a totally different kettle of fish to whether we are or aren't in the EU.

ancientofdays

I am a remainer but not a remoaner.

Nargleblast

We know unsettled times are ahead from now until the end of March next year, then continuing for an indeterminate period afterwards whilst we and the 26 EU countries adapt to the new situation. We have seen politicians come and go, and a General Election could be on the cards or st least a Tory leadership contest. Turbulent times (not to mention Messrs Trump, Kim and Putin) and who knows what skullduggery may be lurking in the Middle East? The circle of life continues, people get on with their daily lives. The referendum result was a shock to all, but running around preaching doom and Armageddon does not help, nor does hurling insults about the 48-52 result (which was more than two years ago so we should put that to one side and focus on the here and now). I have said before that if you constantly focus on the negatives then that is what you will get.