Sainsburys disability discrimination

martinsurrey

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-41401988

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/sep/02/mental-health-trust-apologises-after-woman-has-to-sleep-in-police-car

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/nov/16/ban-police-cells-mental-health-crisis

https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/hospital/ae-unacceptable-place-for-mental-health-patients-in-crisis/7018042.article

did you read your own articles?

1st one was admitted to a non secure unit hundreds of miles away, but was admitted, so he did get a bed.

2nd one, they contacted the hospital at 9am on a Saturday morning, she went to the hospital at 5pm that day, and had a bed at 9pm that day, so a 12 hour "wait".

3rd one is about 12 hour waits as well...

nothing about people being turned away at all...

BorisThomson

baza52 wrote: »

So you managed to google a few links, this does not mean it is like this everyday.
Im sure i could google and find links where people have successfully found a bed or place.

As i said, i would be practically camped out there waiting for a place if it was that serious.

It's not how it works. Camping out as you put it does not mean you'll get the next available bed, that will go to the person who is in most immediate need that day. That's going to be someone who is actively suicidal (and that's far more than wanting to commit suicide), or in the midst of an acute psychotic episode where they are a risk to themselves and others). Honestly, it comes across that you have little comprehension of how bad mental health services are in this country - and I'm glad of that because it means you've not had to try to access help for yourself or a loved one.

NeilCr, my experience of this is all too personal. Aside from my own situation, I've had a friend sent home from A&E to her parents after a suicide attempt. She died two days later. It's not an isolated incident either, I don't actually know anyone that has got themselves to A&E and been admitted to a mental health unit for several years now, yet they continue to self harm and be very unwell. Their physical symptoms have been attended to, they've had crisis team intervention, but in terms of immediate inpatient help there simply are not the beds available.

NeilCr

BorisThomson wrote: »

NeilCr, my experience of this is all too personal. Aside from my own situation, I've had a friend sent home from A&E to her parents after a suicide attempt. She died two days later. It's not an isolated incident either, I don't actually know anyone that has got themselves to A&E and been admitted to a mental health unit for several years now, yet they continue to self harm and be very unwell. Their physical symptoms have been attended to, they've had crisis team intervention, but in terms of immediate inpatient help there simply are not the beds available.

This I get. I have had similar experiences (not myself but others I know).

But were they sectioned?. My original query was about something you said about people being sectioned and then sent back to their family. I have not come across this.

Please do not think I am being awkward. I share your views about mental health provision but it is (was) my understanding that a place had to be found in such a case. The links that Red Squirrel posted show that a secure bed was not available but somewhere was. They did not get sent back to the family after being sectioned.

Fosterdog

This has been a tough read for me, I suffer from OCD but thankfully I got help before it got to the stage OPs daughter is at.

OP I really can sympathise with your situation, but I have to to agree with the majority here that you have enabled this so much it has got out of control. The way your are talking about your daughter and apportioning all blame on everyone else isn't helping at all, if my family and friends had been like that with me I would probably be as bad as your daughter is now, if not worse. Enabling an OCD is the worst thing you can do, it validates the reaction to things.

I'm sorry I can't off any help on where to go next, it was never allowed to get that severe with me and I agree with others that it probably is now well outside the scope of what you can do yourself to help her. You say you've been waiting for an CBT since October, but her condition didn't get that bad overnight, this is something that must have been progressively building for possibly several years, what help did you get for her prior to October?

You need to keep on to the crisis team, chase them ten times a day until they are threatening you with an harassment case if you need to but you need to be proactive in this. Give up on chasing Sainsburys on this, they have done no wrong and you are angering yourself and getting yourself worked up over it when you energy would be better spent fighting for the help she needs.

I used to have to wash my hands seven times with almost boiling water to the point of me having nerve damage, I now only need to wash them twice with a reasonable heat level and I carry hand sanitizer gel and wipes at all times for when I can't wash them. It has stopped me doing things that I wanted to because the anxiety around it got so much I started to become agoraphobic and leaving the house became an ordeal. I managed to get to work, and going to known places I was fine, but not knowing what facilities were in strange places would cause a full blown panic attack, what if I went out for a meal and went to wash my hands and they were out of soap or only had cold running water, I wouldn't eat a meal if I hadn't washed my hands the seven times first. (I really don't know why it was 7, that was just the number I was fixated on).

The other side of mine was around organisation, if I went to get a particular item out of a drawer and it was there where it should be I would have a panic attack, it was completely irrational but if something wasn't where it should be it was like my brain just couldn't cope and went into meltdown. That is the part that developed after the hand washing and what caused me to seek help, once I had calmed down I knew I had been irrational and that my reaction was not normal but in the moment when you are struggling to breath, your heart is pounding, and the walls are closing in and you can't see a way out it is terrifying.

The first step with helping me to overcome it was to write things down, not when I was in a meltdown to start with as it was too much, but while I was calm I'd pick out one trigger and write it down, then it was to realise and write down what could happen if my trigger was triggered, it was all about repetition and of realising that my reactions were excessive and unnecessary. It was a slow process but eventually I got to the stage that if something triggered me, instead of going into a full meltdown I could walk away, even just to another room. Once away from the trigger I used calming techniques until I was able to write down and rationalise everything, the time needed to calm myself eventually got shorter and I'm now at the point I don't need to leave the room and write things down, I can just take a step back, close my eyes, take a few deep breaths and work through the rationalisation in my head. Once that is done I can either cope and get on with whatever I was doing or if I'm still at my threshold I leave what I was doing and come back to it later.

I don't know if any of that really makes sense, it has taken my over an hours to write because even going back over it has caused me get anxious several times but please get your daughter the help she needs and stop enabling her.

NeilCr

That is a brilliant post Fosterdog

LABMAN

My mother had mental health issues that the more you pandered to the worse they became. I had to do the tough love thing for my own health sake a draw the line. She got 'better' when she realised I would walk away. It can be a manipulative thing.

LilElvis

UN17ED wrote: »

I have contacted Mind, Saneline, ReThink and many more and they are of the same opinion that the only form of treatment is for her to be sectioned as my daughter is not able to cope with everyday life but like a lot of people in our area who because of the lack of support of mental health we fear that we will be doing what no parent should ever do and that is to bury their own child.

I'm sorry but it simply isn't plausible that multiple organisations would give definitive treatment advice based solely on an explanation of an individual's symptoms from a relative, not that sectioning is a treatment in any case.

LilElvis

NeilCr wrote: »

That is a brilliant post Fosterdog

^^^

It must have taken a lot to write about your experience and your candour is appreciated.

Fosterdog

LilElvis wrote: »

^^^

It must have taken a lot to write about your experience and your candour is appreciated.

Honestly I get through most days now without a problem and am thankfully living an almost normal life with relapses few and far between but I was shocked myself at how much recalling it to write about it actually affected me. There is so much more that I wanted to say that was just too much for me right now, maybe in a few days I could add more or clarify but for now that is not an option. Doesn't help now that I read back through it and can see quite a few autocorrects and errors which bothers me more than it should.

Red-Squirrel_2

martinsurrey wrote: »

did you read your own articles?

1st one was admitted to a non secure unit hundreds of miles away, but was admitted, so he did get a bed.

2nd one, they contacted the hospital at 9am on a Saturday morning, she went to the hospital at 5pm that day, and had a bed at 9pm that day, so a 12 hour "wait".

3rd one is about 12 hour waits as well...

nothing about people being turned away at all...

Yes I read them, did you just skim them? They all talk about the fact that there is a crisis in the numbers of mental health beds available, the specific cases are illustrative of this.