Non-funeral funeral

scd3scd4

Malthusian wrote: »

As the deceased is condemned to eternal damnation anyway by virtue of being an atheist, regardless of how he is disposed of, they can feel whatever they feel like feeling.

Always found the concept of a loving God burning someone for eternity a little odd.

Keep_pedalling

Malthusian wrote: »

As the deceased is condemned to eternal damnation anyway by virtue of being an atheist, regardless of how he is disposed of, they can feel whatever they feel like feeling.

At least as an atheist I don't have the worry that after all that time spent worshiping ect, I am still going to end up in a horrible place because I choose the wrong religion / sect. If there is only one true religion then most religious people are in one of the many wrong ones.

ska_lover

mum_of_joey wrote: »

I wish I did have the sort of family relationships that you see on TV adverts - all gathered round a table, adoring each other, especially at Christmas. My Christmas consists of sitting watching TV with my cats surrounding me, which is fine for me. I just don't like company much.

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This really is full of contradiction

If you want a more involved family life, you are going to have to tear yourself away from your cats, and television

It sounds as if you have deliberately cut yourself off

Marvel1

scd3scd4 wrote: »

For crying out loud are people really suggesting doing the opposite with a persons body who made a personal choice and expressed their wishes when alive?

Go to funeral to pay respects BUT does not respect their wishes!

Yorkshireman99

ska_lover wrote: »

This really is full of contradiction

If you want a more involved family life, you are going to have to tear yourself away from your cats, and television

It sounds as if you have deliberately cut yourself off

You don't know the OP's circumstances and who are you to be critical in this way? If you can only do this it would be much better if you did not comment at all. Shame on you!

peachyprice

Yorkshireman99 wrote: »

PP has not understood that it strictly a legal issue rather than a philosophical one. The executor is legally obliged to carry out the deceased’s wishes in an un-biased way. They don’t have any discretion in the matter. Neither do the relatives have any rights to decide. The only exception would be if the will required the executor to do something illegal. If a person really want to be sure their wishes are adhered to they need to make arrangements in advance so that the executor is aware and that the will is available when needed.

It's you who seems to not have understood. Funeral wishes in a will are not legally binding, the executor can do as they wish.

Yorkshireman99

peachyprice wrote: »

It's you who seems to not have understood. Funeral wishes in a will are not legally binding, the executor can do as they wish.

Can you cite an authority for that?

eddyinfreehold

I go with Yorkshireman99 here. As an executor you are, as I understand, bound by the Will's instructions unless you legally challenge it and win your argument for a variation. Not just the legalities (finances, property etc) but the overall administration of the Estate are the responsibility of the executors including organising things like funerals, wakes, memorials, communication etc etc. If the Will is not challenged then the CoOp's advice is as good as any...

"Executor Duties and Responsibilities Explained
Being named as Executor in a Will can bring with it complicated, difficult and time-consuming duties which often take up to a year to complete. It is crucial to get everything right because the Executor is legally responsible for administering the Estate in accordance with both the terms of the Will, and the law. An Executor is responsible for everything they do or fail to do, in respect of the Estate. Acting as the Executor of a Will can be a very daunting prospect because the role carries with it a considerable amount legal, tax and administrative responsibilities. An Executor's responsibilities last for the duration of the administration of the Estate and can also carry on into any ongoing Trust."

Keep_pedalling

Yorkshireman99 wrote: »

Can you cite an authority for that?

I was told this by our solicitor when we made our wills, and a quick Google will find plenty of references to back that up

http://www.steeleslaw.co.uk/cremation-or-burial-who-decides/
https://www.blakemorgan.co.uk/news-events/blog/thinking-about-funeral-wishes/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/peoples-burial-wishes-should-be-registered-to-avoid-arguments-say-legal-experts-9431987.html

I think it would be impractical to make such wishes binding, because some people would request ridiculous things.

eddyinfreehold

"I think it would be impractical to make such wishes binding, because some people would request ridiculous things."

Fair enough, you have an opinion, but you have no right to overpower the contents of the Will in law unless you contest it. One person's 'ridiculous' is another person's 'normal.' Rupert Murdoch I think has stated he is not leaving any of his fortune to his children, and lots of widows leave everything to the Lifeboat or the Cat's Home as is their perogative. If 'Aunty Bea' request's a huge send off with loads of flowers, horse drawn hearse and fireworks with a free bar then it's up to the Executors to oblige in my eyes.