Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

I don't think it'll be because the EU will impose conditions; it'll mostly be due to customs being unable to cope with the 17 mile queue of trucks.

We'd lose access to anything that needs special membership like Euratom for some medicines.

We're far too far behind to transition smoothly.

This truck business works both ways.

Try and imagine the conversation French and Spanish farmers will be having with their respective governments, when their produce rots on the way to the markets.

No British supermarket chain would accept rotten produce, and they will turn to alternative sources.

This is all a game of words. They are trying to up the ante as to the exit price, that's all.

Even the EU are not stupid enough to hack off a nuclear military power on their doorstep.

kabayiri

ukcarper wrote: »

What exactly do you expect the government to do, the damage was done 2 years ago and MPs should have put forward a better case for remain then after all remain MPs were in the majority and had the government behind them yet they still failed to convince people to vote remain. On top of that in the years before the referendum they should not have ignored people's concerns it just shows how out of touch the majority of MPs are. Although I voted remain unlike the Westminster bubble I was not surprised leave won.

They had a warning in the 2015 GE. They knew there was enough unhappy people out there to vote for a ramshackle UKIP.

For many of the struggling people out there, a vote to Remain would have changed precisely *nothing*. Osborne/Clegg/Corbyn/Cameron ... they would have all continued to ignore these people.

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

This truck business works both ways.

Try and imagine the conversation French and Spanish farmers will be having with their respective governments, when their produce rots on the way to the markets.

No British supermarket chain would accept rotten produce, and they will turn to alternative sources.

This is all a game of words. They are trying to up the ante as to the exit price, that's all.

Even the EU are not stupid enough to hack off a nuclear military power on their doorstep.

Indeed. But I suspect the UK supermarkets pay before the food leaves Europe., and there will be Brexit clauses.

However I fully expect everything will catch up as supply chains lengthen and everything settles down. Not many people will starve or suffer from lack of diesel.

It's worth noting that goods from the rest of the world will get stuck in the same backlog, as we'd be treating EU traffic like everyone else.
If we're smart (so we won't), we'd set up some pre-clearance before goods set off, so they can just roll through the borders.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

Indeed. But I suspect the UK supermarkets pay before the food leaves Europe., and there will be Brexit clauses.
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The whole retail supply chain is laden with penalties designed to ensure the big supermarkets are the ones with the control.

You don't address my point, which is why should farmers idly sit by and watch silly political posturing destroy their livelihood? I certainly wouldn't.

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

The whole retail supply chain is laden with penalties designed to ensure the big supermarkets are the ones with the control.

You don't address my point, which is why should farmers idly sit by and watch silly political posturing destroy their livelihood? I certainly wouldn't.

Are you trying to imply that you think Spanish and French farmers will force the EU to give us our cake and eat it deal?

The supermarkets have the control but no-one is going to send goods to the UK as the transition ends without lots of disclaimers and get out clauses. Or they'll take the hit and sue the UK customs for their costs.
They'll protect their livelihoods by avoiding the brexit shaft and finding easier markets for their goods.

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

Are you trying to imply that you think Spanish and French farmers will force the EU to give us our cake and eat it deal?

The supermarkets have the control but no-one is going to send goods to the UK as the transition ends without lots of disclaimers and get out clauses. Or they'll take the hit and sue the UK customs for their costs.
They'll protect their livelihoods by avoiding the brexit shaft and finding easier markets for their goods.

It's not just Spanish farmers 14% of German cars are imported by U.K. a bad deal will impact both sides so there are incentives to reach a deal on both sides.

Zero_Gravitas

kabayiri wrote: »

This truck business works both ways.

Try and imagine the conversation French and Spanish farmers will be having with their respective governments, when their produce rots on the way to the markets.

No British supermarket chain would accept rotten produce, and they will turn to alternative sources.

This is all a game of words. They are trying to up the ante as to the exit price, that's all.

Even the EU are not stupid enough to hack off a nuclear military power on their doorstep.

Brexiteering at its finest - are you really suggesting that if we don’t get what we want from the EU, we’ll nuke them?

The really terrifying thing is that it seems necessary to ask that question..

Arklight

Tis_Simply_Me wrote: »

Here's another thought: apart from during wars did we have problems with supply of food etc. before joining the EU then?
No.
So whose is the "false Brexit thinking" because we had no problems before joining.

Yes. British supermarkets were a cornucopia of exotic delights in the 70s. There was Spam, Spam, Spam. Spam and Spam. Spam Spam Spam and Spam.

Oh yes, and turnips you could eat five at a time to get your five a day.

Oh wait. I've just outlined the Brexiteers ideal meal, haven't I?

ukcarper

Arklight wrote: »

Yes. British supermarkets were a cornucopia of exotic delights in the 70s. There was Spam, Spam, Spam. Spam and Spam. Spam Spam Spam and Spam.

Oh yes, and turnips you could eat five at a time to get your five a day.

Oh wait. I've just outlined the Brexiteers ideal meal, haven't I?

You might have only been able to get strawberries in the summer but at least they tasted like strawberries and we didn't have to put up with those awful French Golden Delicious apples.

Ballard

ukcarper wrote: »

You might have only been able to get strawberries in the summer but at least they tasted like strawberries and we didn't have to put up with those awful French Golden Delicious apples.

I’m not convinced that we had to eat French golden delicious. Unless I’m very much mistaken they were simply an option.