Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

ukcarper

Ballard wrote: »

I’m not convinced that we had to eat French golden delicious. Unless I’m very much mistaken they were simply an option.

No they weren't compulsory

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

It's not just Spanish farmers 14% of German cars are imported by U.K. a bad deal will impact both sides so there are incentives to reach a deal on both sides.

Yet the German car manufacturers have said they won't help us and would rather not risk the euro project. So that ain't happening.

Graham_Devon

Arklight wrote: »

Yes. British supermarkets were a cornucopia of exotic delights in the 70s. There was Spam, Spam, Spam. Spam and Spam. Spam Spam Spam and Spam.

Oh yes, and turnips you could eat five at a time to get your five a day.

Oh wait. I've just outlined the Brexiteers ideal meal, haven't I?

Lets not confuse the EU with advances in food production.

The EU didn't open our eyes to a world of new food. Infact a lot of that started when Indian takeaways appeared and we opened up to worldwide cuisine. The home freezer was also taking off meaning food stuffs could be sold frozen.

Neither of these things have anything to do with the EU. Many of our products today are frozen and then defrosted before you buy them on the shelf. No reason for that to change.

Our all year round strawberries for example come from Spain, Morocco and Egypt in the main. Even if you knocked out Spain (which Spain wouldn't take lying down), you've still got two countries.

gfplux

Tis_Simply_Me wrote: »

Here's another thought: apart from during wars did we have problems with supply of food etc. before joining the EU then?
No.
So whose is the "false Brexit thinking" because we had no problems before joining.

I am ignoring the three possible outcomes of a hard Brexit as they have been compiled by Experts and we are told by Brexiters that experts are wrong.
We, you and politicians at least should rely on common sense, on simple cause and effect.

However if you think Britain relies on the same sources and supply chains and eats the same quantitys of food that it did nearly fifty years ago, you are wrong.
If you think any disruption of the supply chain for food or anything else will not cause significant problems, you are wrong.

gfplux

buglawton wrote: »

I recently had an OEM windscreen wiper delivered direct from the far east at a quarter of the UK dealer price.

If you listen to the June 1st episode of BBC Brexitcast podcast they raise a rather strange issue of parcels from overseas and VAT.
An issue and a huge parcel depot I had never heard off and I dont think you have either.
I am sure it is a problem that can be solved. You should listen

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p068w1q9

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

The whole retail supply chain is laden with penalties designed to ensure the big supermarkets are the ones with the control.

You don't address my point, which is why should farmers idly sit by and watch silly political posturing destroy their livelihood? I certainly wouldn't.

They have had plenty of time to look for other markets. If they have not then the law of supply and demand will see them stop or reduce production.
British consumers will still want their oranges and lemons but they might cost more or be in less abundant supply.
It is the law of consequences some of which are unintended.
Like the British asparagus grower who would like to expand production but as it is a seven year process he has decided to wait. Are the British politicians listening to him, I doubt it as he is an expert.
The BBC farming today programme is full of experts NOT being listened to.

gfplux

ukcarper wrote: »

It's not just Spanish farmers 14% of German cars are imported by U.K. a bad deal will impact both sides so there are incentives to reach a deal on both sides.

They need us more than we need them.

Are British politicians listening to the car manufacturers German and others who produce cars in the U.K.
I am not so sure.

There seems a belief that other Governments, Spanish, French and German listen to their voters. Thats nice for those voters but do you really think that is true. Do British politicians listen more or listen less that those in Spain, France and Germany.
Just look around are British politicians listening to British farmers, British car makers, British industry.
Some posters have a interesting belief in foreign Governments perhaps more than they have in their own.

gfplux

Herzlos wrote: »

Are you trying to imply that you think Spanish and French farmers will force the EU to give us our cake and eat it deal?

The supermarkets have the control but no-one is going to send goods to the UK as the transition ends without lots of disclaimers and get out clauses. Or they'll take the hit and sue the UK customs for their costs.
They'll protect their livelihoods by avoiding the brexit shaft and finding easier markets for their goods.

Even British tourist should be wise not to be coming back through UK customs in very early April 2019.

Arklight

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Lets not confuse the EU with advances in food production.

The EU didn't open our eyes to a world of new food. Infact a lot of that started when Indian takeaways appeared and we opened up to worldwide cuisine. The home freezer was also taking off meaning food stuffs could be sold frozen.

Neither of these things have anything to do with the EU. Many of our products today are frozen and then defrosted before you buy them on the shelf. No reason for that to change.

Our all year round strawberries for example come from Spain, Morocco and Egypt in the main. Even if you knocked out Spain (which Spain wouldn't take lying down), you've still got two countries.

Good grief, Graham.

gfplux

ukcarper wrote: »

You might have only been able to get strawberries in the summer but at least they tasted like strawberries and we didn't have to put up with those awful French Golden Delicious apples.

I agree that globalisation and our greed has lost us the seasonality of produce.
One of the positives of some other EU27 is that seasonal produce is still seasonal. Not because the supermarket want it but the consumer AT THE MOMENT wants it that way.