Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Thrugelmir

Filo25 wrote: »

I know where I work we will all be getting 3% next year, as we base the number on the CPI rate the previous September

Is it affordable though? Or will there be cost saving measures to fund the increased expenditure. As not just 3%. There's the on costs of employers national insurance and pension contributions, plus increased cost of overtime and other allowances as well.

Filo25

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The future direction of the EU is uncertain. The only certainty is that has to be fiscal integration for the project to work. Is there the drive to achieve this aim. Or when it comes down to the nitty gritty will all the fissures between partners open up.

Very true, the UK may have been the biggest, most influential member of the EU "awkward squad", it was far from the only one though.

Personally I think it ultimately needs to evolve more towards "Core" and "Periphery", deeper integration for those countries that desire it but there is still an alternative path for countries who do not, of course as always the technicalities of managing that would no doubt be problematic

Filo25

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Is it affordable though? Or will there be cost saving measures to fund the increased expenditure. As not just 3%. There's the on costs of employers national insurance and pension contributions, plus increased cost of overtime and other allowances as well.

This is where I think we are probably in agreement from your past posts.

Even if Brexit ends up driving higher nominal wages it isn't necessarily a win unless it can also somehow drive up productivity as well, otherwise all you are doing is adding inflationary pressures to the system

We all want to see long term productivity growth economic growth and real wage growth, but the productivity problem has been a concern for a while.

vivatifosi

Can't cut and paste easily on this little tablet, but interesting article from Reuters this morning about lack of progress. Whichever side of the debate you are on, the last para is somewhat concerning:

http://in.reuters.com/article/britain-eu-envoys/eu-states-see-britain-failing-to-meet-brexit-divorce-terms-idINKBN1D90BP?il=0

gfplux

setmefree2 wrote: »

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/877005/Hilary-Benn-Labour-Michel-Barnier-MPs-Commons-Brexit-committee-meeting

Britain this morning announced a new "streamlined" registration system EU nationals will use to apply for permanent residency after Brexit in a bid to break the divorce talks deadlock
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/877005/Hilary-Benn-Labour-Michel-Barnier-MPs-Commons-Brexit-committee-meeting

Quote:
Under the proposals EU citizens in the UK will have ¨around two years¨ from Brexit day to apply for the new settled status online, although those who miss the deadline will be treated ¨proportionately¨ and not simply kicked out.
Previous suggestions that European nationals would have to provide extensive documentation about health insurance, work status and their travel history whilst living in Britain have also been scrapped to create a more stress-free process
Quote:
Officials also say there will be a "principle of evidential flexibility" - codeword for giving EU nationals the benefit of the doubt over their word - but there is no mention of a role for the ECJ in settling disputes which is a red line for Brussels.
Home secretary Amber Rudd said: "We have been clear that EU citizens living in the UK make an enormous contribution to our country and we want them to stay.
"Applying for settled status will be a streamlined, low cost, digital process and EU citizens are being consulted on its design to ensure it is user-friendly.

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This is the text of the email sent out from the Home Office to me and any one else who has registered to receive email updates. Much better to read it yourself rather than the filter of the Daily Express.

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Home Office


Dear Xxxxxx

Today, the Government has set out further details of how the new settled status scheme for EU citizens and their family members will operate as the UK leaves the EU. In a technical document sent to the European Commission as part of the negotiations, the Government reiterates how the new system will be streamlined, low-cost and user-friendly, with EU citizens consulted on its design.

EU citizens applying to stay in the UK after Brexit will have plenty of time, up to two years after the UK has left the EU, to obtain settled status. Those applying to stay in the UK after we leave the EU will not have their applications refused on minor technicalities and caseworkers considering applications will exercise discretion where appropriate. The new system will minimise the documentary evidence required and EU citizens will not be required to provide fingerprints as part of the application process.

Decisions will be based solely on the criteria set out in the Withdrawal Agreement, with no discretion for other reasons for refusal. EU citizens will also be given a statutory right of appeal, in line with their current rights through the Free Movement Directive, if their application is unsuccessful.

The Prime Minister has been clear that safeguarding the rights of EU citizens living in the UK and UK nationals in Europe is the first priority for negotiations and she said last month that an agreement is within touching distance.

Negotiation between the UK and EU is continuing and the next talks will take place this week on 9 and 10 November. We will continue to keep you updated on further progress.

Yours sincerely,

Home Office

gfplux

This is the technical 5 page paper issued by the Home Office
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/657694/TECHNICAL_NOTE_CITIZENS__RIGHTS_-_ADMINISTRATIVE_PROCEDURES_IN_THE_UK.pdf

Arklight

vivatifosi wrote: »

Can't cut and paste easily on this little tablet, but interesting article from Reuters this morning about lack of progress. Whichever side of the debate you are on, the last para is somewhat concerning:

http://in.reuters.com/article/britain-eu-envoys/eu-states-see-britain-failing-to-meet-brexit-divorce-terms-idINKBN1D90BP?il=0

Several EU officials said Britain would have to abide by all EU laws in the transition period, even if they are changed during that time, but would have no vote on them. And that such a transition, which both sides have said should last less than two years, might have to be extended to give time for a trade pact.


”It’s impossible to get any bespoke trade deal in two years or so,“ said an B]completely nameless[/B EU parliament official who deals with Brexit. ”And for all that time the UK would be an EU colony -- forced to accept all our laws with no say.


“This is what I call a definition of colony.”

Yes, very worrying. Poor UK. Asked repeatedly to join the EU and then was let in. Got every opt out imaginable that other members didn't get, saw its living standards rocket and went from being the sick man of Europe to one of bloc's riches. Was also forced to accept EU laws it didn't want an entire 2% of the time it voted.


https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/


Yeah, Europe absolutely hates us. Thank God a bunch of pensioners, misty eyed over the three day week, empty supermarket shelves, and holidays in Morecambe, and people who left school at 15 have come to rescue us from them.

Thrugelmir

vivatifosi wrote: »

Can't cut and paste easily on this little tablet, but interesting article from Reuters this morning about lack of progress. Whichever side of the debate you are on, the last para is somewhat concerning:

Hardly comes as any great surprise. With the EU commission seeming to be very political in nature. Rather than neutral as a Cvil Service should act.

ukcarper

Arklight wrote: »

Yes, very worrying. Poor UK. Asked repeatedly to join the EU and then was let in. Got every opt out imaginable that other members didn't get, saw its living standards rocket and went from being the sick man of Europe to one of bloc's riches. Was also forced to accept EU laws it didn't want an entire 2% of the time it voted.


https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/


Yeah, Europe absolutely hates us. Thank God a bunch of pensioners, misty eyed over the three day week, empty supermarket shelves, and holidays in Morecambe, and people who left school at 15 have come to rescue us from them.

You should be blaming your peers who couldn't be bothered to get off thier bums and vote,most pensioners might have left school at 15 but they have a much more experience that a 19 year old student studying an irrelevant degree. As for the first paragraph I don't think I need to comment as it's is rubbish.

mayonnaise

Theresa May told to replace Priti Patel with Brexiteer to keep Cabinet balance

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-priti-patel-replace-cabinet-brexit-remainer-balance-brexiteer-international-development-a8045221.html

And here's me thinking suitability for the role and competence would be deciding factors.