Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

tracey3596

ukcarper wrote: »

I missed that bit jail anyone who doesn't agree with you wow.

Quite.
If people were jailed for stretching the truth (okay, or downright lying) in order to get people to think their way these forums would be pretty empty, as would parliament.

cogito

phillw wrote: »

The non stop strikes were caused by high inflation, it was joining the EEC and then EU that gave us low inflation. There were some short term bribes paid to some people which had to be paid for, that money came from increased trade from the EEC/EU. etc etc.

Funny then how the non stop strikes were more prevalent after we joined the common market than before. Inflation really only took off after we joined and was largely caused by OPEC price hikes after the Yom Kippur war.

If joining the common market gave us low inflation, you might want to tell us why inflation rates in some other member countries was as high as the UK.

ukcarper

ilovehouses wrote: »

Don't be an apologist. MP's should be expected to act with more integrity than, say, randoms on an internet backwater that even google isn't interested in.

Just to make it clear would you lock up all politicians who stretch the truth or just the ones who don't agree with you.

Moby

ukcarper wrote: »

Just to make it clear would you lock up all politicians who stretch the truth or just the ones who don't agree with you.

Do you think Priti Patel lied or not?

ukcarper

Moby wrote: »

Do you think Priti Patel lied or not?

Yes and I think she was rightly sacked but I wouldn't lock her up, she not the only politician who has lied including many Labour MPs.

ukcarper

ilovehouses wrote: »

She wasn't sacked. The only sanction she faces is that her seat will be closer to the back wall. I doubt there will be any investigation of her actions by a standards committee despite holding secret meeting (and lying about them) with the head of a foreign power.

She was sacked as a minister, if you sack every MP who has lied the commons would be empty.

ukcarper

ilovehouses wrote: »

There should be sanctions for politicians that lie. I don't really care whether they wear blue or red underwear.

If you look at the MP's code of conduct under 'honesty' it says..



Yes, this code was updated in response to the expenses scandal but I might have defined honest as being truthful and not being a liar rather than link it to a procedure of general admin.

As the details of the meetings have not been revealed you do not now of there was a conflict of interests.

ukcarper

ilovehouses wrote: »

She resigned.

You're taking this to the extreme. I'm not suggesting every MP who has lied should be sacked. Rather that it isn't unreasonable to expect higher levels of integrity from those who represent us in parliament.

It's a vicious circle because, in many cases, the electorate really want to believe the lies and are attracted to the best liars so if you don't lie (or aren't very good at it) you're less likely to get votes.

Very few people are actually sacked from the cabnet they jump before they are pushed.

I think we should expect we should expect integrity from everyone. Politicians who alway stretched the truth and still do this applies to both sides but to lock up people because they happen to do that and disagree with you is madness.

You are using Priti Patel as a distraction she was not in phils original list.

ukcarper

ilovehouses wrote: »

Oh come on. You're making too much of someone on an internet forum saying they'd lock up Boris and throw away the key and just camping out there rather than discussing the issue.

Politicians should be expected to conduct themselves to higher standards than the rest of the electorate. Hell, we even expect people who are good at kicking footballs about to behave as role models.

Perhaps phill should explain himself then it was a stupid remark.

No everybody should conduct themselves properly that's the problem with society to many people don't.

Moby

ukcarper wrote: »

Yes and I think she was rightly sacked but I wouldn't lock her up, she not the only politician who has lied including many Labour MPs.

Do you think she should remain an MP?
1. She held the meetings in the first place without Govmt sanction
2. She avoided answering a parliamentary question on the issue by leaving the country for another trip. Her deputy had to answer on her behalf.
3. It was then discovered that she had not told the PM the whole story, so she was told to immediately return to the UK and forced to resign. Planned Govmt business meetings in African countries had to be cancelled as a result. We don't have any idea of the cost of that of course.

I work in criminal justice and see people imprisoned for committing benefit fraud.
I know of people sacked from their jobs for claiming excess travelling expenses.
In what way is Priti Patel less accountable?