Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Thrugelmir

mayonnaise wrote: »

And here's me thinking suitability for the role and competence would be deciding factors.

Quality of politicians these days is extremely poor. No work history CV. More a question of who you know.

Arklight

ukcarper wrote: »

You should be blaming your peers who couldn't be bothered to get off thier bums and vote,most pensioners might have left school at 15 but they have a much more experience that a 19 year old student studying an irrelevant degree. As for the first paragraph I don't think I need to comment as it's is rubbish.

If you don't want 19 year olds to be studying "irrelevant degrees" can you please stop demanding them as a pre-requisite to get an entry level job in your companies for minimum wage?


Believe it or not a lot of people don't want to go to university to incur £50k of debt to then get a job filing, but the problem is, you won't hire them if they haven't.


The same goes for apprenticeships which have now disappeared in place of a baffling labyrinth of NVQs, professional certifications and work based learning required to change a washer.


You aren't answering the first paragraph because there is really nothing you can say. In the 70s the UK had one of the sickliest economies in the developed world. We trailed Italy into the 80s in recorded economic performance, an economy where a large part of it's GDP was off the books.


I am baffled as to what you lot think was so great about all this that you want to return to it. I think everyone is.


You don't seem to know yourselves.

ukcarper

Arklight wrote: »

If you don't want 19 year olds to be studying "irrelevant degrees" can you please stop demanding them as a pre-requisite to get an entry level job in your companies for minimum wage?


Believe it or not a lot of people don't want to go to university to incur £50k of debt to then get a job filing, but the problem is, you won't hire them if they haven't.


The same goes for apprenticeships which have now disappeared in place of a baffling labyrinth of NVQs, professional certifications and work based learning required to change a washer.


You aren't answering the first paragraph because there is really nothing you can say. In the 70s the UK had one of the sickliest economies in the developed world. We trailed Italy into the 80s in recorded economic performance, an economy where a large part of it's GDP was off the books.


I am baffled as to what you lot think was so great about all this that you want to return to it. I think everyone is.


You don't seem to know yourselves.

I never voted to leave the EU but your constant whinging and blaming others makes you look like a spoilt 3 year old who can't get his own way.

I know plenty of young people who haven't gone to university and are doing very well, trouble is people want to make thier hobbies thier jobs now instead of doing what us boomers had to do and take a job that in many cases we did not enjoy so that we could do the things we did enjoy.

Trying to claim the progress made from the 70s on the EU is ridiculous.

phillw

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Hardly comes as any great surprise. With the EU commission seeming to be very political in nature. Rather than neutral as a Cvil Service should act.

How the EU commission seems is down to whether you like what they are saying. If you like it then it's neutral, if you don't then it's political.

Have you considered that maybe you're biased?

ukcarper wrote: »

Trying to claim the progress made from the 70s on the EU is ridiculous.

Trying to say the progress has nothing to do with the EU is ridiculous. We only have companies like Nissan building factories in the UK because of the EU, a lot of companies are still holding on in case brexit doesn't happen. It's ridiculous to expect things to continue like they did if brexit does happen.

gfplux wrote: »

Britain this morning announced a new "streamlined" registration system EU nationals will use to apply for permanent residency after Brexit in a bid to break the divorce talks deadlock

They had to really, the people going to the papers saying they were born here and yet they were rejected leave to remain because they didn't have private health insurance was hugely embarassing for the government.

Arklight

ukcarper wrote: »

I never voted to leave the EU but your constant whinging and blaming others makes you look like a spoilt 3 year old who can't get his own way.

I know plenty of young people who haven't gone to university and are doing very well, trouble is people want to make thier hobbies thier jobs now instead of doing what us boomers had to do and take a job that in many cases we did not enjoy so that we could do the things we did enjoy.

Trying to claim the progress made from the 70s on the EU is ridiculous.

Your lazy prejudice regarding young people on degree programmes and your wrongheaded understanding that somehow you can pick a job as a hobby is ridiculous. At some point it will dawn on you lot that you need these people to pay your pensions.


Very few people who are stakeholders in the future of the UK want to leave Europe.

setmefree2

ukcarper wrote: »

I never voted to leave the EU but your constant whinging and blaming others makes you look like a spoilt 3 year old who can't get his own way.

The amount of Remoaning going on in the press and on the news is beyond belief. I have to wade through so much whiny drivel before I encounter just a few facts.

They are also clearly trying to bring down the government - and the reporting is almost hysterical. Imho they will fail - May, Davis and Fox are a lot tougher than they are given credit for.....

Nuts.

What a waste of time and energy.

Also if you listen to enough of the whiny drivel it would actually cost you money.

setmefree2

Anyhows, I see the Brexiter Penny Mordaunt has been appointed IDS.

Filo25

setmefree2 wrote: »

The amount of Remoaning going on in the press and on the news is beyond belief. I have to wade through so much whiny drivel before I encounter just a few facts.

They are also clearly trying to bring down the government - and the reporting is almost hysterical. Imho they will fail - May, Davis and Fox are a lot tougher than they are given credit for.....

Nuts.

What a waste of time and energy.

Also if you listen to enough of the whiny drivel it would actually cost you money.

There's no shortage of hysterical reporting on either side of this particular story, you just don't mind half of it because you happen to agree with it.

Not having a go with that comment, we're all much the same we tend to read what agrees with our world view, I have no interest whatsoever in reading the Mail, Express or Sun, even the Telegraph is becoming one big pro-Brexit editorial these days.

I actually find most of the national printed press in this country a waste of time as most "news" is actually just editorial comment, I tend to read the FT if only because it makes clearer definition between its pieces which are actually News and those which are purely opinion.

mayonnaise

setmefree2 wrote: »

Anyhows, I see the Brexiter Penny Mordaunt has been appointed IDS.

Penny Mordaunt, whose previous career highlights include a speech on poultry welfare to Parliament for the sole purpose of saying “c**k” several times.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-mp-said-ck-several-times-in-parliament-speech-as-part-of-navy-dare-9893449.html

Should be a good replacement for Priti.

But it's good to see the Brexiteer/Remainer balance in govt. preserved.

gfplux

setmefree2 wrote: »

Anyhows, I see the Brexiter Penny Mordaunt has been appointed IDS.

This is the same Penny Mordaunt who lies just like her predecessor! This in May 2016.

"A Eurosceptic Tory minister has been accused of “plain and simple lying” over the possibility of Turkey joining the EU, prompting an extraordinary intervention from the Prime Minister.

Penny Mordaunt, the armed forces minister, said the UK “does not” have a veto over the new membership of states such as Turkey – despite it being a key part of the Treaty of the European Union.

David Cameron said the minister was “absolutely wrong” on the matter, and implied her judgement on other matters should be called into question as a result. "

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/penny-mordaunt-andrew-marr-uk-veto-tory-minister-accused-of-flat-out-lying-over-turkey-joining-the-a7041956.html

Are there any honest politicians left for May to bring into the cabinet?