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Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5
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The rejoin argument is a simple one :-
- on what terms
Like it or not, people are worried about mass migration. Do you think they will be any less worried in 5/10 years time when there's another few million here, and still under-investment in housing; schools; hospitals; transport etc ?
Point is, mass migration will still be a major issue, and the EU don't have any answers. They can't even get Poland or Hungary to agree on accepting modest numbers of refugees.
Then, there's the Euro. Why would a majority of British politicians want to give up control over the currency? The rules are clear in the EU. New entrants have a commitment to join the Euro.
Hey ho. Bring it on. Let's leave and if you want to vote in a party with a commitment for another referendum on joining, go for it.0 -
The rejoin argument is a simple one :-
- on what terms.
Doesn't matter, for now.
The first step will be entry into the EEA (or something that looks exactly like it with a new name), probably on the back of manifesto commitments in a GE, as it doesn't really need a referendum.
That will then give us almost all of the benefits of the EU without any of the silly 'federalist superstate' political arguments.
Then we can just sit back and wait you out.
The young don't have any of these absurd fetishes about immigration or the symbol on our banknotes that the old have.
Time is very much on our side with this one...;)“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
The rejoin argument is a simple one :-
- on what terms
On better terms that we'd get by leaving.Like it or not, people are worried about mass migration. Do you think they will be any less worried in 5/10 years time when there's another few million here, and still under-investment in housing; schools; hospitals; transport etc ?
Point is, mass migration will still be a major issue, and the EU don't have any answers. They can't even get Poland or Hungary to agree on accepting modest numbers of refugees.
Then, there's the Euro. Why would a majority of British politicians want to give up control over the currency? The rules are clear in the EU. New entrants have a commitment to join the Euro.
Hey ho. Bring it on. Let's leave and if you want to vote in a party with a commitment for another referendum on joining, go for it.
Sure, none of the problems will have actually been addressed (responsibility sitting with Westminster and not the EU), but once people leave and realise that leaving only made things worse, they'll be a lot keener to rejoin.0 -
Like it or not, people are worried about mass migration. Do you think they will be any less worried in 5/10 years time when there's another few million here?
I think they'll be so demoralised once they finally understand we can't afford to end, and therefore won't end, mass migration - even after leaving the EU - that they'll finally realise they were lied to and won't bother voting to leave again.
Particularly when the other consequences of leaving have become clear after we have left - when their lives got worse not better - when their services were cut further - when none of the supposed benefits of leaving happened. Why on earth do you think people would be stupid enough to make the same mistake twice?“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »...
Particularly when the other consequences of leaving have become clear after we have left - when their lives got worse not better - when their services were cut further - when none of the supposed benefits of leaving happened. Why on earth do you think people would be stupid enough to make the same mistake twice?
It comes down to the same old argument. Migration is always a local issue. Nothing you say will impact the way someone sees the issue in Boston or Hounslow or Reading etc etc.
As I said before, the EU offers nothing to change their perception. Simply nothing. Last 15 years of EU : it's been brilliant for some EU citizens; less so for others. It's the nature of a grand project; it's driven by political belief from the core.
I think as times get harder, then people are more likely to vote for perceived self interest, not less.
People like yourself will call out these people as "stupid" during the campaign, and for some reason, they don't really like that! :rotfl:0 -
It comes down to the same old argument. Migration is always a local issue. Nothing you say will impact the way someone sees the issue in Boston or Hounslow or Reading etc etc.
As I said before, the EU offers nothing to change their perception. Simply nothing. Last 15 years of EU : it's been brilliant for some EU citizens; less so for others. It's the nature of a grand project; it's driven by political belief from the core.
I think as times get harder, then people are more likely to vote for perceived self interest, not less.
People like yourself will call out these people as "stupid" during the campaign, and for some reason, they don't really like that! :rotfl:
Not stupid, mislead. It's hard to fall for a campaign of constant lies.
Surveys were showing that people thought migration was about 7x higher than they thought; the perception of migration (made worse by poor government) is a much bigger issue that migration itself is.
But by far the most effective way to show people how good the EU is, is to let them spend a few years outside of it. Given that Brexit won't solve any of their problems (it'll make many worse), how many will vote to stay out or leave further once they realise it?
Basic self interest only leans towards Brexit for many people because they think the lies are somehow possible. Once that all collapses, are they going to vote for all the damage so they can live near fewer foreigners? Once they find stuff get more expensive?0 -
mayonnaise wrote: »
http://www.stephenkinnock.co.uk/devastating_90_drop_in_inward_investment_into_the_uk_caused_by_profound_market_uncertainty_that_brexit_has_triggered
Project Fear turning into Project Fact?
page has been taken down
maybe it was too factual0 -
page has been taken down
maybe it was too factual
Hmmm, something went wrong with the URL.
http://www.stephenkinnock.co.uk/
Latest Posts.
Too factual? It's OECD data.Don't blame me, I voted Remain.0
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