Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

Not stupid, mislead. It's hard to fall for a campaign of constant lies.


Surveys were showing that people thought migration was about 7x higher than they thought; the perception of migration (made worse by poor government) is a much bigger issue that migration itself is.


But by far the most effective way to show people how good the EU is, is to let them spend a few years outside of it. Given that Brexit won't solve any of their problems (it'll make many worse), how many will vote to stay out or leave further once they realise it?


Basic self interest only leans towards Brexit for many people because they think the lies are somehow possible. Once that all collapses, are they going to vote for all the damage so they can live near fewer foreigners? Once they find stuff get more expensive?

Perhaps the impression of amount of immigration depends on local area where I am the population has increased by 10% since 2010 mainly due to immigration.

ukcarper

kabayiri wrote: »

It seems the answer to any bitter;divisive campaign is to make it aligned with something immutable like age.

We really don't learn do we.

Arklight seems to think he has been betrayed by older generation because the majority don't agree with him, should I feel betrayed by younger generation because unlike me they couldn't be bothered to get up off thier bums and vote remain.

It's no good being vocal now the damage has been done and contrary to what some people seem to think there is no going back.

Carl31

mayonnaise wrote: »

Hmmm, something went wrong with the URL.

http://www.stephenkinnock.co.uk/

Latest Posts.

Too factual? It's OECD data.

I cant link to it, but the 2016/17 data was distorted by the takeover of inbev that year, theres an article in the FT that explains it

google : Record foreign investment in UK skewed by two big company mergers

if you want to read

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

The rejoin argument is a simple one :-

- on what terms

Like it or not, people are worried about mass migration. Do you think they will be any less worried in 5/10 years time when there's another few million here, and still under-investment in housing; schools; hospitals; transport etc ?it.

Sorry, when Britain is OUT of the EU there will not be ANOTHER FEW MILLION HERE.
British people have been promised that mass immigration from the EU will end.

mayonnaise

Carl31 wrote: »

I cant link to it, but the 2016/17 data was distorted by the takeover of inbev that year, theres an article in the FT that explains it

google : Record foreign investment in UK skewed by two big company mergers

if you want to read

Thanks. Read it.

gfplux

The last page has been all about

the EU that Britain is leaving at the end of March 2019.

Yes the transition deal will put off the cliff edge for 2 to 5 years

What makes even remainers think the EU will except Britain back.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

gfplux wrote: »

Sorry, when Britain is OUT of the EU there will not be ANOTHER FEW MILLION HERE.
British people have been promised that mass immigration from the EU will end.

And those people have been lied to....

Britain can not and will not end mass migration from the EU. We simply can't afford to - so that was never going to happen. The real question is how will those people react once they realise they've been lied to?

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

Perhaps the impression of amount of immigration depends on local area where I am the population has increased by 10% since 2010 mainly due to immigration.

Very true, population growth isn't evenly distributed across the country; some people will feel it's busier than others.


But we're very much no "full" and with proper planning we should be able to handle the increase in the longer term (I know a lot of local councils get caught out with sudden increases in local population on stuff like school places).


The problem still isn't with free movement or EU membership.

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

Very true, population growth isn't evenly distributed across the country; some people will feel it's busier than others.


But we're very much no "full" and with proper planning we should be able to handle the increase in the longer term (I know a lot of local councils get caught out with sudden increases in local population on stuff like school places).


The problem still isn't with free movement or EU membership.

I think you should try living in the more overcrowded parts of south east and not just look down from a plane or out of car window when you drive down the M1.

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

I think you should try living in the more overcrowded parts of south east and not just look down from a plane or out of car window when you drive down the M1.

Because all of those empty spaces are only an illusion?


I'm aware that the South East is a lot more densely populated than the rest of the country, but there are plenty of cities that are much more densely populated (Cairo, Tokyo). So the problem is with the infrastructure, not the headcount.