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Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5
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I think you should try living in the more overcrowded parts of south east and not just look down from a plane or out of car window when you drive down the M1.
I tried that for more than 50 years now and it worked out just fine.
What area is that you're living in that became an overcrowded hell due to immigration? Does it even exist?Don't blame me, I voted Remain.0 -
Because all of those empty spaces are only an illusion?
It is quite extraordinary that so many people have such a lack of awareness that they don't understand the UK is almost entirely empty.I'm aware that the South East is a lot more densely populated than the rest of the country,
Even the South East is still virtually empty.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Sorry, when Britain is OUT of the EU there will not be ANOTHER FEW MILLION HERE.
British people have been promised that mass immigration from the EU will end.
Of course there will.
Half our mass migration is from outside the EU. It won't change dramatically.
We won't have upgraded our infrastructure enough and people will still feel the need to blame something.
It's pretty obvious.0 -
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But we're very much no "full" and with proper planning we should be able to handle the increase in the longer term (I know a lot of local councils get caught out with sudden increases in local population on stuff like school places).
The problem still isn't with free movement or EU membership.
If we haven't had proper planning with years of free movement, what makes you think we would get proper planning tomorrow?
Come on. At least be realistic. This is a squabble over resources. If you think we have plenty of spare capacity, then why is Corbyn always banging on about a crisis in NHS provision.
The EU only offers one model. Their preference for complete open movement. I don't find it remotely sustainable.0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »It is quite extraordinary that so many people have such a lack of awareness that they don't understand the UK is almost entirely empty.
Even the South East is still virtually empty.
It's quite extraordinary that this has been debunked so many times and you keep on trotting it out.0 -
It's quite extraordinary that this has been debunked so many times and you keep on trotting it out.
Anything looks empty from a telescope up in Aberdeen.
If there were vast amounts of 'free' space (as in space which can actually be used), then people would have built houses on this space....coz you can flog houses down in the SE all day long.
Hamish says we need loads more migrants to pay for your and my pensions, but they can't all live in my shed!0 -
If we haven't had proper planning with years of free movement, what makes you think we would get proper planning tomorrow?
Come on. At least be realistic. This is a squabble over resources. If you think we have plenty of spare capacity, then why is Corbyn always banging on about a crisis in NHS provision.
The EU only offers one model. Their preference for complete open movement. I don't find it remotely sustainable.
We're not going to get proper planning without a good government regardless of movement.
There is a crisis with the NHS, made worse by Tory austerity and lack of migrants.0 -
We're not going to get proper planning without a good government regardless of movement.
There is a crisis with the NHS, made worse by Tory austerity and lack of migrants.
That's not a potential solution you are giving me, just a confirmation that a problem exists.
This was at the heart of Team Remain's weakness. They were challenged with the notion that massive migration was causing people problems....and they had no answer.
In fact, according to Hamish, the actual answer is to actually have even more inward migration, on the hope it pays for ordinary peoples' pensions at some point in the future.
Why do you think a different (Labour) government would be able to achieve better planning then?0 -
I didn't say I had the answers, just that the answer ain't Brexit.
Labour at least would fund the services that the Tories are choking to death.0 -
No because the roads are extremely congested, the trains are overcrowded and services are overstretched. Looking at empty fields does not tell you the whole story.Because all of those empty spaces are only an illusion?
I'm aware that the South East is a lot more densely populated than the rest of the country, but there are plenty of cities that are much more densely populated (Cairo, Tokyo). So the problem is with the infrastructure, not the headcount.0
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