Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

fatbeetle

We use more land for golf courses and 'horseyculture' (Little Tarquin and Henrietta having a pony) than we do for all housing combined so I'm quite sure land can be found without using any meaningful amount of agricultural land.

The politics of envy are never attractive.

mayonnaise

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

The reason more of it may be put back into use after Brexit is simple - the CAP.

If - post Brexit - we get those 'wonderful' free trade deals with the US, Australia, NZ, etc...and they include agriculture, we won't need farm land anymore.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/05/01/farmers-could-biggest-losers-post-brexit-us-trade-deal-mps-warn/

Arklight

fatbeetle wrote: »

The politics of envy are never attractive.

It;s a valid point. The SE is unusual for global property hotspots in that much of the protected public land simply isn't used for anything other than horse riding.

It tends to be the middle classes who are up in arms chaining themselves to JCBs when the bottom field has a planning application on it, but in reality you shouldnt really expect the government to provide you a paddock.

Enterprise_1701C

mayonnaise wrote: »

If - post Brexit - we get those 'wonderful' free trade deals with the US, Australia, NZ, etc...and they include agriculture, we won't need farm land anymore.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/05/01/farmers-could-biggest-losers-post-brexit-us-trade-deal-mps-warn/

As I said, we will have a shortage of farmland, if we need to import because of that then import we will.

Karmakat

Herzlos wrote: »

Tokyo has a higher population & population density than London, correct?
Tokyo has the infrastructure to handle it (and handle it much better than London, Japanese trains make ours feel like the relics they are).


Thus the problem isn't with the population or density, but with the management of it.


We could improve the infrastructure drastically, but it'd need a government with a plan, and an be willing to endure a little disruption.

Whenever I see Tokyo on news reports, the people are all wearing white face masks to try and filter out the pollution caused by the population and density

Is this really seen as progress and what we aspire to for our own cities?

First and foremost people need to breathe

kabayiri

ilovehouses wrote: »

The NHS has a retention problem and it's getting worse because the average age of the staff is increasing so retirement levels are having a greater proportional impact.

European nurses tend to be younger but they're also more mobile so don't stay as long.

Brexit will present challenges to the NHS but, IMO, they'll be pretty small compared to the longer standing challenges posed by an aging population and an organisation which doesn't seem to be competently run.

Very nice and all...

But if you need more specialist nurses you go out and buy them from the rest of the world don't you?

Haven't we been doing that for donkeys years? One hospital in the Mids took in 80 nurses in a block.

Why does FOM help? It's a crock, and it doesn't. It will be a forgotten idea in years to come, anyway.

Enterprise_1701C

Karmakat wrote: »

Whenever I see Tokyo on news reports, the people are all wearing white face masks to try and filter out the pollution caused by the population and density

Is this really seen as progress and what we aspire to for our own cities?

First and foremost people need to breathe

Agreed, if people like Arklight had their way we would concrete over the whole country just to snub the middle classes.

Of course then we would have to deal with flooding because the ground could not absorb the rain, there would be no trees to recycle the air, and no-one would want to live here because it would be an awful place to be.

That's without even starting to consider the farmland, and it will still be used after Brexit, maybe the use will change but that is better than the eu paying farmers to leave it fallow.

We NEED open land, it isn't just a plaything for the middle and upper classes. It is a part of what we are, it is embedded in the psyche of the British people.

mayonnaise

Michael Portillo gets it.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/961546/Michael-Portillo-Andrew-Neil-BBC-this-week-Brexit-news-latest-EU-customs-union

“The Brexiteers have lost an enormous amount of ground."

“It has happened over a period but it has become very very clear in the last week."

“So actually I think there is a policy emerging in the government and it is going to be jolly close to the customs union."

“We are heading for a Brexit Light.”

Enterprise_1701C

ilovehouses wrote: »

Why does FOM help? It reduces the cost, bureaucracy and friction involved in 'buying in' nurses.

It's not a magic bullet that can solve the NHS's problems. If that's what makes it a crock then you're arguing against a point that hasn't been made.

FOM has caused a lot of problems. People have stopped training youngsters because it is easier to bring people in from overseas.

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

I still didn't realize that paying rent/mortgage in London was the only qualification for having a view.


Tokyo has a higher population & population density than London, correct?
Tokyo has the infrastructure to handle it (and handle it much better than London, Japanese trains make ours feel like the relics they are).


Thus the problem isn't with the population or density, but with the management of it.


We could improve the infrastructure drastically, but it'd need a government with a plan, and an be willing to endure a little disruption.

It's not but if you do not have experience of living in area your view is not as valid as someone who does. The infrastructure could be improved but the cost would be astronomical and properties would have to be demolished. As it is the rest of the country is alway complaining about the money spent in London.