Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Arklight

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Well, if being in the gang means you get absolutely zero help when Spain cause problems at the Gibralter border, and the rest of the gang stand by whilst a big one of their members (again Spain) kicks a little one (Catalonia) half to death, you really have to question if you are in the right gang,

And if that gang forces you to open your doors and let in strangers, even though it was them that invited them, again it has to be the wrong gang.

More Brexit lies.

The UK has always had the right to restrict immigration from within the EU, it just hasn't used it.

The UK has no obligation whatsoever to accept immigrants, documented or otherwise, from outside the EU, regardless of whether or not an EU country was their last port of call. If Germany wants to invite refugees because it's the right thing to do, that is up to Germany, and is not a matter for the EU.

The UK does have an obligation to accept some asylum seekers under the UNHCR of which it is a signatory. That will not change after Brexit.

The land dispute caused by the UK occupying part of Spain is between the UK and Spain. What does that have to do with the EU?

Catalan independence is no more a matter for the EU than Scottish independence.

Enterprise_1701C

Herzlos wrote: »

Assuming the EU is that bully for

Arklight wrote: »

More Brexit lies.

The UK has always had the right to restrict immigration from within the EU, it just hasn't used it.

The UK has no obligation whatsoever to accept immigrants, documented or otherwise, from outside the EU, regardless of whether or not an EU country was their last port of call. If Germany wants to invite refugees because it's the right thing to do, that is up to Germany, and is not a matter for the EU.

The UK does have an obligation to accept some asylum seekers under the UNHCR of which it is a signatory. That will not change after Brexit.

The land dispute caused by the UK occupying part of Spain is between the UK and Spain. What does that have to do with the EU?

Catalan independence is no more a matter for the EU than Scottish independence.

The eu has taken Poland, Hungary and the Czech republic to court over migrant quotas, had we voted in we would probably get the same treatment.

As for the dispute between Spain and the UK, they are currently both part of the eu, the border is within the eu, that is what it has to do with the eu.

cogito

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Herzlos wrote: »

Assuming the EU is that bully for


The eu has taken Poland, Hungary and the Czech republic to court over migrant quotas, had we voted in we would probably get the same treatment.

As for the dispute between Spain and the UK, they are currently both part of the eu, the border is within the eu, that is what it has to do with the eu.

You're forgetting Slovakia. Funny that Arklight accuses other posters of lying and then presents two of his own.

The EU made the dispute between Spain and the UK over Gibraltar a matter for the EU when they gave Spain a veto over any Brexit agreement in their original position papers.

mayonnaise

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

The eu has taken Poland, Hungary and the Czech republic to court over migrant quotas, had we voted in we would probably get the same treatment.

Probably not.

UK not bound by EU quota plan for housing migrants

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32705615

You can stop spreading fake news now.

Arklight

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Herzlos wrote: »

Assuming the EU is that bully for


The eu has taken Poland, Hungary and the Czech republic to court over migrant quotas, had we voted in we would probably get the same treatment.

As for the dispute between Spain and the UK, they are currently both part of the eu, the border is within the eu, that is what it has to do with the eu.

The first part of your post has been debunked so I will waste no time on it.

As for the second, what actually are you referring to you think we need the EU to "help" us with?

Neither the UK or Gibraltar are part of the Schengen area, and there is no requirement for Spain to provide visa or identity free document travel into or out of this border.

Furthermore EU law now mandates additional border checks on entering or leaving Schengen, which is nothing to do with Spain. The UK could be part of Schengen if it wanted.

http://chronicle.gi/2017/01/schengen-changes-will-bring-tighter-border-controls/

I'm afraid, exactly like with Northern Ireland, if you want to invade parts of people's countries then you have to accept the sour relationships for as long as you hold onto them.

wunferall

Arklight wrote: »

I'm afraid, exactly like with Northern Ireland, if you want to invade parts of people's countries then you have to accept the sour relationships for as long as you hold onto them.

Well it looks like the EU are only just beginning to grasp that concept with their invasion of member countries by stealth. That's why Italy, Austria, the Netherlands, Hungary and others including the heartland Germany itself are all seeing an upsurge in populism. At last a remainer here recognises an ongoing EU problem.

Herzlos

The populism in the UK is using the EU as a scapegoat for UK caused problems. I've no reason to believe the same isn't partly true for every other populist movement.

Arklight

wunferall wrote: »

Well it looks like the EU are only just beginning to grasp that concept with their invasion of member countries by stealth. That's why Italy, Austria, the Netherlands, Hungary and others including the heartland Germany itself are all seeing an upsurge in populism. At last a remainer here recognises an ongoing EU problem.

This is a common Brexiteer trope but it isn't fulfilling the predictions is it?

The day after the vote the EU was meant to crumble within a week, then a month, then by Christmas, then by the French election, then by the German election, then the Italian election...

Now it's apparently going to happen at some point in the future because European countries have PR so their parliaments have small right wing parties, whereas we just have large numbers of right wing Tory MPs.

wunferall

Arklight wrote: »

This is a common Brexiteer trope but it isn't fulfilling the predictions is it?

The day after the vote the EU was meant to crumble within a week, then a month, then by Christmas, then by the French election, then by the German election, then the Italian election...

Now it's apparently going to happen at some point in the future because European countries have PR so their parliaments have small right wing parties, whereas we just have large numbers of right wing Tory MPs.

Unless of course you can show us where " the EU was meant to crumble within a week, then a month, then by Christmas"? :huh:

The EU has extremist populism in their parliaments, both nationally and in the European Parliament. The UK does not.

"large numbers of right wing Tory MPs" to the extremism which is the AfD in Germany or the extremism which is the People's Party in Austria, or the Dutch Party For Freedom or Hungary's Fidesz. All these are far-right and there are more, many more so your idea of "small right wing parties" is incorrect.

Never mind though, your nirvana continues to look good. From a distance, and provided you don't look too closely.

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Herzlos

That's how proportional representation works - fringe parties get more seats. We don't have drastically less right wingers, our parliamentary system just keeps them ranting from the sidelines until something like Brexit gives them a platform.