Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

cogito

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Honestly I thought you'd have learned from when you were caught out spreading fallacies about the poorest African farmers....:(

The 1970's referendum on Common Market membership had a Yes campaign and a No campaign.

The No campaign said the following....



The British people were told quite clearly that there would be closer union with other countries in that referendum campaign.

To say they weren't, or that it was all about trade, is an outright lie.

Were we told that closer union would include signing up to Maastricht, Lisbon etc? No we weren't. Major forced signing up to Maastricht using a three line whip which almost tore the Tories apart. Blair promised a referendum on the EU Constitution and was highly relieved that other countries rejected it before he had to renege on his promise. Brown eventually slunk into the back door to sign the Lisbon Treaty after everyone else had gone home.

I can't be bothered looking up where you dragged up that newspape4 clipping so have no idea how many people might have seen it but Remainer lies were being told even at that point wheen people tended to be more trustful of politicians than they are today.

The big lie is that we were told the truth by europhiles. We weren't, we aren't and we never will be.

cogito

westernpromise wrote: »

If the EU said we won't lose the rebate and won't have to implement the euro, would you believe them?

Would you believe them if they said they would reform the CAP if we agreed to reduce our rebate? Oh, wait......

westernpromise

cogito wrote: »

Were we told that closer union would include signing up to Maastricht, Lisbon etc? No we weren't. Major forced signing up to Maastricht using a three line whip which almost tore the Tories apart. Blair promised a referendum on the EU Constitution and was highly relieved that other countries rejected it before he had to renege on his promise. Brown eventually slunk into the back door to sign the Lisbon Treaty after everyone else had gone home.

I can't be bothered looking up where you dragged up that newspape4 clipping so have no idea how many people might have seen it but Remainer lies were being told even at that point wheen people tended to be more trustful of politicians than they are today.

The big lie is that we were told the truth by europhiles. We weren't, we aren't and we never will be.

The question about that clipping is whether Remainers back then agreed it was true or whether they lied and said it was not.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

Were we told that closer union would include signing up to Maastricht, Lisbon etc?

What are Maastricht and Libson if not closer union?

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

I will wager now that the "Re-enter" campaign will fudge the issue on the Euro.

They will kick the can down the road, and say it's a tomorrow problem.

The EURO is terrible for us given our trading deficit. But...it's great for Germany, which is the main thing!

You guys seem to be conflating "Remain" with "Re-enter".


Remain should allow us to keep the status quo - no EUR, full rebate.


Re-entry will lose us all of the opt-outs and rebates we've got over the years - EUR, no rebate, Shengen.


Both can only be compared to the direct alternative - leaving. Is Remaining better than leaving? Definitely.
Is Re-entering better than leaving? Quite likely.


Is Re-entering better than Remaining? Absolutely not. But by the time we're talking about Re-entering, that option will be long gone.

Herzlos

Linkedin seems to be seeing signs of the "brain drain" that was part of "project fear":


http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/05/08/eu-professional-migration-to-the-uk-is-down-26-per-cent/

LinkedIn hiring data, captured in our monthly UK Workforce Reports, shows that the UK has gone from being a country that gains talent from the EU to one that loses talent to it. The change is significant. Over the last year alone, migration to the UK from the EU has fallen 26 per cent, while more people are leaving the UK for the EU than were previously.

(...)

Is Britain becoming more global and less EU centric?

To see the real impact of Brexit on the UK talent market and economy, we therefore have to look beyond the EU migration figures. Are we seeing evidence of businesses sourcing these missing skills from elsewhere? So far, the answer is no.

Rather than an increase in the number of professionals moving to the UK from non-EU countries, net migration to the UK from the rest of the world is also dropping. In fact, it!!!8217;s down 20 per cent over the last year, almost as significant a reduction as migration from the EU. The UK remains a net importer of talent from non-EU countries, because the number of professionals leaving for these countries is still lower than the number arriving from them. However, it is importing talent at a significantly lower rate.

cogito

Herzlos wrote: »

Linkedin seems to be seeing signs of the "brain drain" that was part of "project fear":


http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/05/08/eu-professional-migration-to-the-uk-is-down-26-per-cent/

According the the report you cite, more are arriving than leaving but the numbers are down a bit.

But the number of academics from the EU increased by 25% last year.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/05/09/fears-brexodus-academics-britains-universities-myth-figures/

Despite Brexit and despite the EU funded universities claiming that the opposite would happen. Funny that.

Herzlos

That's certainly interesting. Hopefully it continues.

Arklight

Scots set to smash Brexit!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-eu-withdrawal-bill-scottish-parliament-consent-sturgeon-latest-a8351956.html

Theresa May is facing a fresh Brexit wrangle as the Scottish parliament is expected to formally refuse its consent to key legislation after months of rows over its impact on devolved powers.

MSPs will set themselves at odds with Westminster by backing a Scottish government motion that makes clear that Holyrood "does not consent to the EU Withdrawal Bill".

The good lady is not for turning

mayonnaise

ilovehouses wrote: »

The government seem unable to agree on an approach to brexit and seems to have lost sight of the fact that, no matter what they decide, it still needs to be agreed with the EU.

Can't be too many weeks away from something giving. Boris resignation? General election? Extended transition period?

I'd like to say it's interesting times but it's just getting tedious now.

Treeza has split the Brexit War Cabinet in two.
One group will discuss customs partnership, a model already rejected by the EU.
The other group will discuss the 'max fac' option, based on technology that has yet to be invented.
Madness.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/05/10/may-splits-squabbling-brexit-war-cabinet-customs-deal-solution/