Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Common sense appears to be prevailing....

Britain is set to make an offer to the EU on future immigration which would see arrangements 'very similar' to current free movement rules put in place after Brexit

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-talks-latest-eu-immigration-free-movement-offer-a8326101.html

And...

Ten Conservatives have already signed a binding amendment to a trade Bill next month that would oblige Britain to remain in a customs union. Other Conservatives spoke in favour of last night's motion, suggesting that the rebels could defeat the government next month.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/may-under-mounting-pressure-to-keep-britain-in-customs-union-1.3475760

Not to mention....

Business groups say a large majority of companies want to maintain regulatory alignment with the EU and see few benefits from divergence after Britain leaves the bloc.

https://www.ft.com/content/16913a48-fb78-11e7-9b32-d7d59aace167

So it seems now that the reality of Brexit is sinking in, the government is heading for the only practical solution - that of 'taking back control' over immigration, customs, and regulations, but then choosing to keep these things as close as possible to the way they already are as part of the EU - because that is what is in our national interest.

This whole Brexit thingy does rather seem to be just an enormous waste of time....

kabayiri

Why don't you just post a link to your post in the other forum Hamish?

It does seem easier.

Herzlos

fatbeetle wrote: »

I think, after the highly disgusting way the EU has acted towards Britain since the vote, that more would be inclined to vote out.

If people were aware that the next debtor states the EU is thinking of taking on, Albania and Macedonia, are likely to be admitted soon, with all the costs and the increase in economic migration from them, even more would be inclined to vote out.

So you think none will be disillusion with the lies from the leave campaign?

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

The future of travel and teleconferencing etc is probably for another thread.

Air travel will obviously become more limited in future, if we are ever going to meet those Climate targets.

Travel is fundamental to Brexit,which was essentially a vote to make travel harder.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

So you think none will be disillusion with the lies from the leave campaign?

Regardless of where the 'lies' came from, how can you convince any of us that any future campaign will not be equally as divisive and full of selective facts (if not quite lies)?

All the people did was make a vote based on the information they had at hand. That's it.

They could not predict PM resignation; a shambolic GE; and use of the Brexit process for personal political gain. That's down to implementation.

Herzlos

Pauciloquent_1 wrote: »

Ah yes, tinfoil hats.
Instead of debating the poster why can you not at least try to debate any of the points raised?

Regardless of how I personally feel about the style of the post you quote, the content is pretty much irrefutable.
That must be why you instead berate the poster, and by doing so it shows clearly that you lost that argument.

If you can evidence any of it being based in reality a d not paranoia, I'll try and address them. Until then it's just not worth it.

Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

Regardless of where the 'lies' came from, how can you convince any of us that any future campaign will not be equally as divisive and full of selective facts (if not quite lies)?

All the people did was make a vote based on the information they had at hand. That's it.

They could not predict PM resignation; a shambolic GE; and use of the Brexit process for personal political gain. That's down to implementation.

You're right, a 2nd round will be garbage too, but no-one is going to get away with claims like the £350m a week for the nhs.

Pauciloquent_1_2

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Common sense appears to be prevailing....
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-talks-latest-eu-immigration-free-movement-offer-a8326101.html
And...
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/may-under-mounting-pressure-to-keep-britain-in-customs-union-1.3475760
Not to mention....
https://www.ft.com/content/16913a48-fb78-11e7-9b32-d7d59aace167
So it seems now that the reality of Brexit is sinking in, the government is heading for the only practical solution - that of 'taking back control' over immigration, customs, and regulations, but then choosing to keep these things as close as possible to the way they already are as part of the EU - because that is what is in our national interest.
This whole Brexit thingy does rather seem to be just an enormous waste of time....

You actually made me LOL with "Common sense appears to be prevailing ... " once I read a little further; well done for your lighthearted and optimistic interpretation.
Personally and certainly insofar as many remainers are concerned, I only see common sense eventually prevailing at some distant time in the future when Bexit has long since been and gone.

Tell me Hamish (and fellow remainers gleefully cheering on that post) what in that post is set in stone, signed and agreed to?

Will for example EU citizens continue to be allowed to turn up "on spec" without any job to go to, or does it just mean that EU citizen's won't need a visa to enter the UK?
If (and so far it is still "if") any amendment reaches the proposal stage in Parliament do you seriously think that it would pass, because we all know that MP's actually risk the unrest which would surely follow as a result of their not following the wishes of a national democratic vote?
As for the fat-cat leaders of business, the British public all-to frequently heard their opinions prior to the referendum.
Since their opinion has not changed since, what makes you imagine that the British public's view of those has?

Like it or not (and I think we can all see which way your opinion lies) the UK voted to leave the EU with all that entails, saying that remaining a member is not then in the national interest.
As said elsewhere, what this government actually does is of little consequence so long as the UK ceases to become a member state of the EU.
Simply because future governments will be free to decide what is best for the UK once we are outside the EU.
Before anyone suggests "re-join" that would require a majority agreement and - if there were to be such a vote - this time IMHO people would want cast-iron guarantees of exactly what membership would involve.
Given that, I think there's more chance of the UK becoming the 51st state and - be honest - you have about as much chance of seeing a real live unicorn.

Pauciloquent_1_2

Herzlos wrote: »

If you can evidence any of it being based in reality a d not paranoia, I'll try and address them. Until then it's just not worth it.

As I suspected you fell for that hook, line and sinker.

iro wrote: »

Staying in the EU is simple

Accept unlimited numbers of new Europeans from Germany
So unlimited free movement is not a central requirement of the EU then according to you, Herzlos?

iro wrote: »

Staying in the EU is simple
Accept the Euro
Do you Herzlos know better than the EU, who have said that from 2020 all new members must adopt the Euro or that all current members should adopt the Euro by 2025?

I could go through nearly all of them but it has become sadly obvious that you have zero intention of participating in sensible debate.

Herzlos

You've got one; we'd be subject to free movement.

As we're not a new member we wouldn't need to join the euro, which isn't done deal. There's no talk of making existing members change.