Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

kabayiri

The future of travel and teleconferencing etc is probably for another thread.

Air travel will obviously become more limited in future, if we are ever going to meet those Climate targets.

vivatifosi

Apologies, queues at airports has been covered extensively recently and I'm a bit late to the game with this comment.

In the USA there is a scheme called Global Entry. You have to go for an interview and undergo background checks, but once you do you can take the shorter lines on both entry and exit. It costs more than a standard ESTA, but is worthwhile if you travel regularly.

If queues are too long for Brits going into Europe, it would make sense to introduce something similar for regular business travellers. It lasts five years, but once you are in the scheme, renewal is easier.

fatbeetle

Herzlos wrote: »

17.4m voted out, 51.9% of the votes. Would they all do so again today? I doubt it,

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I think, after the highly disgusting way the EU has acted towards Britain since the vote, that more would be inclined to vote out.

If people were aware that the next debtor states the EU is thinking of taking on, Albania and Macedonia, are likely to be admitted soon, with all the costs and the increase in economic migration from them, even more would be inclined to vote out.

Thrugelmir

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

I think that a significant proportion of the 17.4 million would be secretly quite relieved, as it becomes more obvious with every day that passes that Brexit is one of the greatest acts of self-harm a country has ever perpetrated upon itself.

Most people are happily getting on with their lives. Looking forward to the future. Not living in the past.

Pauciloquent_1_2

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Most people are happily getting on with their lives. Looking forward to the future. Not living in the past.

Except for the devout remainers here by the looks of it that would rather stay in the past, clinging on to the shirt-tails of the EU and fearful of what lies ahead all the time ignoring the increasing slew of negativity towards the EU from within.

I posed remainers a question yesterday.
Since then there have been a number of posts from remainers not one of which has even acknowledged the question, much less answered it. (They're more interested in the likes of derogatory "tin foil hats"-type comments, sadly.)
Because they can't.
They know it is fact but they would rather deny it, from the looks of it.

So again:
"Maybe you should acknowledge that despite Brexit, the UK is in fact more centrist than much of the EU since here we have no populist or extremist parties in our House of Commons, and whatever UKIP MEP's there are (19) will not exist in a year's time.
How much of the EU could you say that for?"

Until some remainers accept this fact they will presumably never acknowledge that in so many ways the UK is better off out of the EU.

Pauciloquent_1_2

Herzlos wrote: »

Do you make your own tinfoil hat's or do you buy them in?

Ah yes, tinfoil hats.
Instead of debating the poster why can you not at least try to debate any of the points raised?

Regardless of how I personally feel about the style of the post you quote, the content is pretty much irrefutable.
That must be why you instead berate the poster, and by doing so it shows clearly that you lost that argument.

kabayiri

Pauciloquent_1 wrote: »

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Until some remainers accept this fact they will presumably never acknowledge that in so many ways the UK is better off out of the EU.

'better off' should be seen as a relative term IMO.

I don't see the direction the EU is going in as complementary to the UK and it's future needs.

Plus...I can see one almighty scrap on the horizon as the naked self interests of the EE states in the EU conflict with the centralist nature of the EU core.

We are better off watching on the sidelines.

iro

fatbeetle wrote: »

I think, after the highly disgusting way the EU has acted towards Britain since the vote, that more would be inclined to vote out.

If people were aware that the next debtor states the EU is thinking of taking on, Albania and Macedonia, are likely to be admitted soon, with all the costs and the increase in economic migration from them, even more would be inclined to vote out.

If they do succeed in a #peoplesvote with a #optiontoremain then it is likely that Leave will again win. If remoan win it will be by such a small majority that the argument will continue indefinitley. The EU will not accept a divided country back in, even Soros has made this point.

How do you even have a 3 way referendum rejoin EU, leave on terms, leave on WTO??

Given that 403 constituencies voted leave I would expect a lot of remoaner MPs would be out of a job!

The net effect of #peoplesvote is to undermine the chances of any future properly argued referendum on rejoining under Article 49 any time soon.

REMOANIACUS INTERRUPTUS!

kabayiri

iro wrote: »

If they do succeed in a #peoplesvote with a #optiontoremain then it is likely that Leave will again win. If remoan win it will be by such a small majority that the argument will continue indefinitley. The EU will not accept a divided country back in, even Soros has made this point.
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I completely agree that the starting conditions have changed now.

Besides, if the public didn't trust the information being presented in the last referendum, why on earth should they trust the information being presented in the next?

Why would we feature in the EU long term plans when we have shown a propensity to vote ourselves out? We are a barrier to the political project, not an asset.

Pauciloquent_1_2

kabayiri wrote: »

'better off' should be seen as a relative term IMO.

I don't see the direction the EU is going in as complementary to the UK and it's future needs.

Plus...I can see one almighty scrap on the horizon as the naked self interests of the EE states in the EU conflict with the centralist nature of the EU core.

We are better off watching on the sidelines.

Yet whenever anything relating to the direction the EU is heading in is mentioned in this thread there comes an immediate howl from remainers.

The EU (read: German) love of Russian gas for example and Nordstream 2; defence spending and continued relaince upon NATO; the EU's north/south split; Visegrad incompatibility with EU values; increasing (what other nations see as) EU interference as seen with palm oil, Israel and much, much more.

Now just watch.
Rather than debate any of those what usually happens by the looks of it is that the OP (me, in this case) will be criticized and ridiculed because again they cannot refute the facts.
And still remainers wonder why so many decided that they would rather be outside the EU.