Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Pauciloquent_1_2

Herzlos wrote: »

You've got one; we'd be subject to free movement.

As we're not a new member we wouldn't need to join the euro, which isn't done deal. There's no talk of making existing members change.

Wrong.
Again you will not accept acknowledged fact; why?
Are you no more than an externally-funded agitator or do you have genuine reason to deny accepted facts?

The UK as a country that will have left the EU will not be a member.
Then:

Frankfurter Allgemeine has taken part of documents detailing plans to introduce the euro in all member countries by 2025 – including Sweden.

http://nordic.businessinsider.com/leaked-document-sweden-and-denmark-to-be-forced-into-the-euro-by-2025-2017-5/

Here's another you are ignoring:

All EU members which have joined the bloc since the signing of the Maastricht treaty in 1992 are legally obliged to adopt the euro once they meet the criteria,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_eurozone

iro

Herzlos

What I posted was not paranoia but simply where we will end up if we rejoin the EU.

There are many valid arguments for joining the EU but make no mistake it will all of the things I listed.

Herzlos

Fair enough. Some will be more likely if we leave and re-join, but I can't see moat of it happening. I don't think we'll ever agree so I'll give up and you can say you win if you want.

Pauciloquent_1 wrote: »

Wrong.
Again you will not accept acknowledged fact; why?
Are you no more than an externally-funded agitator or do you have genuine reason to deny accepted facts?

The UK as a country that will have left the EU will not be a member.
Then:

http://nordic.businessinsider.com/leaked-document-sweden-and-denmark-to-be-forced-into-the-euro-by-2025-2017-5/

Here's another you are ignoring:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_eurozone

From your own article:

Of course we do encourage all member states to join as soon as they meet the prerequisites. But there is no specific time limit,"!Dombrovskis!said, according to news agency Direkt.!

And your 2nd link:

The!enlargement of the eurozone!is an ongoing process within the!European Union (EU). All!member states of the European Union, except Denmark and the United Kingdom which negotiated!opt-outs!from the provisions, are obliged to adopt the euro as their sole currency

So it sounds like the only risk we have here is in leaving. If we leave we'll lose all of our perks when we re-join.

iro

'So it sounds like the only risk we have here is in leaving. If we leave we'll lose all of our perks when we re-join.'

We have already enacted Article 50, a lot of agreements would be needed to reverse this.

As far as the ex ante position prior to 29/3/17 that position has gone.

Some or indeed all of the conditions I listed will need to be met and the UK would be on its knees begging the EU to take us back.

Once MPs voted (overwhelmingly) for Article 50 the rubicon was crossed.

Herzlos

In the .uk political sphere, sure. But A50 can be reversed according to the author and the eu.

iro

Herzlos wrote: »

In the .uk political sphere, sure. But A50 can be reversed according to the author and the eu.

Not unilaterally and not without each of the EU27 agreeing.

Before Article 50 was enacted then true, this was the problem with the ART50 court case.

TM could have negotiated directly with the EU, if the EU had made a better offer than the one Cameron came back with Parliament could have voted to reverse the Brexit vote.

But TM's hand was forced by the court case and the court case also undermined any claim by Scotland and Wales to stop the process (previously there was uncertainty about the constitutional position)

Politically would the EU want the UK back to carry on being troublesome and threatening to leave in further referendums.?

Herzlos

Yes, I believe the EU would allow us back in; it's in everyone's best interest. I think we'll likely be able to do so under our current terms too if we can avoid screwing it up.

Herzlos

I'm pretty sure he said the only way we could get our current deal is by staying, which he said we could do without penalty. I'm not sure if that offer timed out now but I'm sure we coulfre-negotiate it. The EU doesn't want us to leave.

Bit I don't think we'll stay, we'll "leave" and very little will be different except we won't get a say in the EU.

Filo25

So who is going to get the Home Secretary's job, sadly that is actually a Brexit issue these days, it has to go to a Remainer or the "truce" within the party ends (well unless one of the big name Brexiters gets the boot as well)

Thrugelmir

Filo25 wrote: »

So who is going to get the Home Secretary's job, sadly that is actually a Brexit issue these days, it has to go to a Remainer or the "truce" within the party ends (well unless one of the big name Brexiters gets the boot as well)

One can guess where the media storm is being driven from. Given that Labour seen deeply divided on another issue..... With a certain JC tainted yet again.