Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

iro

Herzlos wrote: »

Indeed if a majority wants to remain now, which decision is the democratic one?



I didn't address the points because they are delusional. None of those concerns will happen if we remain.

So you are accepting that it was 'ad hominem' then.

17.4 million people (and more) disagree that remaining in the EU means more EU control of our lives, if we wanted toremain we would have to accept the Euro, this means our Gold reserves move to the ECB, lose our rebate, accept an EU Reichs Army etc.

Tweet from Guy Verhofstadt 4/2/18
Thumbs up if you want a United States of Europe! !!!128077;!!!128077;!!!128077;#IamEuropean !!!127466;!!!127482;#WeAreEurope!!!127466;!!!127482; #FutureOfEurope!!!127466;!!!127482;

This reply:

In the UK this is controversial. Even some #Remain supporters are against ever closer union. We have to wait a generation for this idea to take off here. Churchill was for it, but his quotes in other context cited for #Brexit. ATM we are struggling to #StopBrexitSaveBritain

Dont tell him Pike!
We know the plan!

Herzlos

17.4m voted out, 51.9% of the votes. Would they all do so again today? I doubt it,

None of that stuff is likely to happen if we Remain. Some might when we re-join, though.

Do we have any gold reserves left? I thought Brown sold them all at the bottom of the gold market?

The comment wasn't having a go at you personally (unlike you've done to me), you usually make decent well articulated points that I don't agree with. But that was exceptionally paranoid even for you. You're better than that.

I can totally understand how the idea that Britain would just become European state #4 Would make Brexit look like a good idea. But that's never going to happen.

buglawton

Herzlos wrote: »

That's great if you have appropriate equipment at both ends i.e. collaborating with co-workers in other regions. Not much use when talking to customers and no replacement for being face to face.

If you want to sell a million euros worth of widgets to a company, you better be prepared to visit their factory and office or they'll find someone who is.

Maybe in another generation we'll be able to avoid travel, and as a consequence make air travel unaffordable to most tourists. A lot of the flights I'm on are easily about 50% guys in suits that'd rather stay at home.

I don’t think the average Ryanair flight departing for a small regional airport at 07:00 or 18:00 is half full of those suits. Got a feeling that airborne buses full of budget tourists and migrant workers will be around for a long time to come.

Arklight

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

I think that a significant proportion of the 17.4 million would be secretly quite relieved, as it becomes more obvious with every day that passes that Brexit is one of the greatest acts of self-harm a country has ever perpetrated upon itself.

Additionally, you appear to have finished your post with a threat. Exactly what are you threatening?

You won't be able to move in central London for mobility scooters and Telegraphs being crossly shuffled.

There are younger Brexit fanatics too but attending any kind of uprising would require them to get out of bed before 3pm.

Arklight

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Which sadly is the wider divide that can be found elsewhere in Europe and over the pond in the USA. The West no longer dominates world affairs. The power is shifting East. The current US version of capitalism has run it's course.

Yes it's awful. If only there were some way for us to club together to represent our interests globally.

iro

Arklight wrote: »

You won't be able to move in central London for mobility scooters and Telegraphs being crossly shuffled.

There are younger Brexit fanatics too but attending any kind of uprising would require them to get out of bed before 3pm.

This young man might beg to differ....

https://twitter.com/bbcquestiontime/status/976960205761101825?lang=en

iro

This contribution as well;

https://www.thesun.co.uk/video/news/blue-peter-presenter-radzi-chinyanganya-says-it-is-undemocratic-to-question-the-will-of-the-people-on-brexit-on-bbc-question-time/

How is that whole 'be nice to young non white Leave voters' thing going?

I do no think we will have much problem getting through London on the 23/6/18, although it will be amusing to watch the persistent remoaniacs tripping over their lazy stereotypes

gfplux

Herzlos wrote: »

That's great if you have appropriate equipment at both ends i.e. collaborating with co-workers in other regions. Not much use when talking to customers and no replacement for being face to face.

If you want to sell a million euros worth of widgets to a company, you better be prepared to visit their factory and office or they'll find someone who is.

Maybe in another generation we'll be able to avoid travel, and as a consequence make air travel unaffordable to most tourists. A lot of the flights I'm on are easily about 50% guys in suits that'd rather stay at home.

But, but, but, selling overseas is so easy. Just get a free trade deal and customers will come running.

iro

Herzlos wrote: »

17.4m voted out, 51.9% of the votes. Would they all do so again today? I doubt it,

None of that stuff is likely to happen if we Remain. Some might when we re-join, though.

Do we have any gold reserves left? I thought Brown sold them all at the bottom of the gold market?

The comment wasn't having a go at you personally (unlike you've done to me), you usually make decent well articulated points that I don't agree with. But that was exceptionally paranoid even for you. You're better than that.

I can totally understand how the idea that Britain would just become European state #4 Would make Brexit look like a good idea. But that's never going to happen.

From the verhofstadt twitter thread above

'I remember during the Brexit referendum campaign, us leave voters were called insane, paranoid fear-mongerers for suggesting that the EU wanted to become a United States of Europe...'

'Voted remain, but it's this sort of nonsense that made Brexit inevitable. You haven't learned.'

I know that the conventional theory is that Leavers are thick, but really that thick?

Herzlos

buglawton wrote: »

I don’t think the average Ryanair flight departing for a small regional airport at 07:00 or 18:00 is half full of those suits. Got a feeling that airborne buses full of budget tourists and migrant workers will be around for a long time to come.

The small regionals are full of suits. No one goes to Exeter on a Tuesday morning for leisure.

I doubt the Easy jet flights to Malaga will still run, but the airlines would need to do something about the loss of the business traveller. Either reduce flights or increase costs. Ditto for hotels.