Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Herzlos

Sagacious_Samuel wrote: »

.......... more and more obvious.


Sorry, but could not resist responding with such an obvious retort.

Can you elaborate on these obvious points?

Rinoa

Herzlos wrote: »

Such as? What scenarios can you think of that will result in a positive impact on growth with Brexit?

JRM's slashing of workers rights?

When we joined 45 years ago we were amongst the highest paid in the EU. Now we're tenth.

The EU doesn't appear to have served UK workers too well.

wunferall

Herzlos wrote: »

Can you elaborate on these obvious points?

There's no point, is there? You ignore them any way. Maybe go and see May on her tour of the UK.
The future is bright, vows May on tour of Brexit-divided country

May’s tour is focussed on meeting a cross-section of voters to reassure them that she is working to tear down the barriers thrown up by the referendum, and that whether they voted “Leave” or “Remain”, they will be better off after Brexit.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu/the-future-is-bright-vows-may-on-tour-of-brexit-divided-country-idUKKBN1H439F

Of course, any sensible person knows that a post-Brexit boom is as unlikely as a post-Brexit collapse and that the probability is that reality will lay somewhere in between.

kabayiri

Tromking wrote: »

I think UKIP became defunct when as a result of the referendum result, Brexit became a mainstream goal for both main parties.
There is nothing toxic about leaving the EU, as remain supporters will find out if Brexit is fudged or reneged on.

We need to redefine the question now.

The Brexit vote changed perceptions; hearts and minds; as well as being a dry technical decision.

Our relationship with the EU has now changed. I know that people like Blair and Gina Miller think we can just reset things back to how they were, but is that really going to happen?

The EU can not trust the UK as a viable participant in the EU project going forward. We have shown that at best we are lukewarm.

I think we might just to see more pragmatic accommodations from both sides, as the hyperbole and war of words calms down.

Arklight

Rinoa wrote: »

When we joined 45 years ago we were amongst the highest paid in the EU. Now we're tenth.

The EU doesn't appear to have served UK workers too well.

Your generation has enjoyed an absolutely unprecedented increase in wealth and living standards.


British workers are paid less than they used to be because a certain demographic has continually voted for Tory governments fixated on creating a low pay, low regulatory, low tax business environment. Not for themselves of course.


There is very little wrong with the UK that purging it of right wing beggar thy neighbour selfishness wouldn't fix.

Thrugelmir

kabayiri wrote: »

The EU can not trust the UK as a viable participant in the EU project going forward. We have shown that at best we are lukewarm.

Only ever been lukewarm. Never bought into the Federal superstate concept.

kabayiri

Arklight wrote: »

Your generation has enjoyed an absolutely unprecedented increase in wealth and living standards.


British workers are paid less than they used to be because a certain demographic has continually voted for Tory governments fixated on creating a low pay, low regulatory, low tax business environment. Not for themselves of course.


There is very little wrong with the UK that purging it of right wing beggar thy neighbour selfishness wouldn't fix.

It's much wider than this.

Watch the first couple of minutes of this.

https://youtu.be/4ZO6ND2wvTA

You can see common patterns occurring between some groups in the rust belt of the USA, and their counterparts in Sunderland, or Southern Italy.

Increasing wealth via assets has also been accompanied by a much greater take on of debt over the last 30 years.

The growth in personal debt didn't stop under New Labour. The trend towards outsourcing work didn't stop under New Labour.

It's misguided to see it as a party political thing.

wunferall

Arklight wrote: »

Your generation has enjoyed an absolutely unprecedented increase in wealth and living standards.


British workers are paid less than they used to be because a certain demographic has continually voted for Tory governments fixated on creating a low pay, low regulatory, low tax business environment. Not for themselves of course.


There is very little wrong with the UK that purging it of right wing beggar thy neighbour selfishness wouldn't fix.

That isn't true though is it? You could at least check your wild claims before making them just to demonstrate your hatred.

1964 - 1969 Labour; 1974 - 1978 Labour; 1997 - 2009 Labour; so it looks like Labour haven't done much to reverse your alleged "low pay, low regulatory, low tax business environment" does it? Labour had thirteen years under Blair & Brown so what's your excuse for that?

cogito

wunferall wrote: »

That isn't true though is it? You could at least check your wild claims before making them just to demonstrate your hatred.

1964 - 1969 Labour; 1974 - 1978 Labour; 1997 - 2009 Labour; so it looks like Labour haven't done much to reverse your alleged "low pay, low regulatory, low tax business environment" does it? Labour had thirteen years under Blair & Brown so what's your excuse for that?

There is also the fact that every Labour government has left office with higher unemployment than when it entered. It follows that every Tory government has left office with lower unemployment than when it entered.

gfplux

Let us guess what the Brexit bonus will be.

Or is it a Brexit dividend?

Or is it a money tree?