Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

Do you think we spend enough as it is?

I've seen how much resource it takes to carry out these inspections on shops and businesses in our cities, looking for illegal migrants.

Preventing the problem in the first place is invariably cheaper.

Some think that ID cards offered a viable solution.

Well, a comprehensive ID card system could easily cost £20bn in today's money. It would also be lucky to avoid an error rate less than 1%.

It should not take a blind jump in the dark that is Brexit to decide to do a proper job. Do you think any government would find this huge amount of money without Brexit. I don’t think so and no one does.

gfplux

Tromking wrote: »

What do you care?
The loss of the UK’s EU contributions will no doubt be picked up by Germany. The European single market and its penchant for buying lots of German stuff, all made easier by an artificially undervalued currency will be preserved.
We’ll manage OK without you.

So you can not point out the Brexit bonus/dividend because there is not one.

gfplux

wunferall wrote: »

Is there a point to that post?

Nurses eh, well look here: "NHS nurses to get a pay rise of up to 22% in new pay deal".
https://www.nursinginpractice.com/article/nhs-nurses-get-pay-rise-22-new-pay-deal

Maybe you missed that, as well you might living outside the UK. Do you see the possibilities of what could happen when we don't have to pay the EU vast sums every year.

Maybe you missed today's news that our annual current account deficit has gone down too, to the lowest since 2011 apparently. Oh and 2017 growth was revised upwards too, to 1.8%. :T

So you can not point to one advantage of Brexit. It is amazing that there are Brexiters posting here but none can mention one advantage of Brexit. Talk of a Brexit dividend or a Brexit bonus appears to make Brexiters very uncomfortable.

Tromking

gfplux wrote: »

So you can not point out the Brexit bonus/dividend because there is not one.

I can only speak for myself and say the question you posed is innately silly and so I felt it didn’t require an answer.
Even the most rabid Remainer will concede that there are pro’s and as well as cons to Brexit. Stop trying to get posters to jump through your child-like rhetorical hoops and make your point and argue other people’s points in good faith.
It’s more interesting that way.

Enterprise_1701C

Tromking wrote: »

I can only speak for myself and say the question you posed is innately silly and so I felt it didn’t require an answer.
Even the most rabid Remainer will concede that there are pro’s and as well as cons to Brexit. Stop trying to get posters to jump through your child-like rhetorical hoops and make your point and argue other people’s points in good faith.
It’s more interesting that way.

What he said. I too did not wish to jump through hoops.

To my mind either way is unknown, we have no idea what is going to happen within the eu anyway, we only know that the costs would have been guaranteed to go up with the rest of the countries that want to join, and they would almost certainly change the rules repeatedly, and we would almost certainly have been forced to join the euro so they could trash our economy too.

kabayiri

gfplux wrote: »

It should not take a blind jump in the dark that is Brexit to decide to do a proper job. Do you think any government would find this huge amount of money without Brexit. I don’t think so and no one does.

It's not within my domain to steer their priorities, is it. It is obvious that Brexit will result in additional costs.

It's not a huge amount of money. It's cheaper to be proactive to a potential problem than reactive.

More resources on border control will help detect other things too, from contraband to illicit substances like drugs.

kabayiri

gfplux wrote: »

So you can not point to one advantage of Brexit. It is amazing that there are Brexiters posting here but none can mention one advantage of Brexit. Talk of a Brexit dividend or a Brexit bonus appears to make Brexiters very uncomfortable.

Brexit can be seen as a defensive play.

If you believe that the EU will go through difficult times with the Euro, it is entirely reasonable to choose to sit outside the zone.

I think the currency was rushed in, and put political priorities above the economic realities that showed not all EU states were the same.

The referendum vote asked if we wished to Leave or Remain the EU. It didn't ask us what amount we would stand to profit from it. There's quite a lot of rewriting going on.

We now have to try and make things work.

kabayiri

buglawton wrote: »

What do incidents like this cost us the taxpayers then?
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/29/uk_border_database_missing_details_of_600000_foreign_visitors/
For a ha’pence of tar the ship was lost...

Sadly, I doubt it will be the last IT government project which goes awry.

I've seen it on stuff I have worked on. Although, I should say, I like The Reg but they didn't get the detail right on my project.

It's often linked to over ambition, and a lack of clarity from the start.

LHW99

It should not take a blind jump in the dark that is Brexit to decide to do a proper job. Do you think any government would find this huge amount of money without Brexit. I don!!!8217;t think so and no one does.

So Brexit is pushing Government to reconsider their priorities? Seems a benefit IMO.
It also to me seems a benefit that (large) companies are realising that just getting their executives over to Brussels committees to write standards and regulations that suit them, without thinking through what it may mean for innovation, smaller companies, and other "unforseen side effects" doesn't actually help the smaller companies that don't have departments available to submit grant applications, auditors to sign off accounts and whose priority is cash-flow, not preparation of profit and loss sheets. These smaller companies help solve the problems that crop up for larger companies when they need eg subcontractors, production line assistance, or R&D backup.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

So you can not point to one advantage of Brexit. It is amazing that there are Brexiters posting here but none can mention one advantage of Brexit. Talk of a Brexit dividend or a Brexit bonus appears to make Brexiters very uncomfortable.

Many don't enjoy the lifestyle you do. People are far more interested in the smaller things that impact their live directly. Than grand political schemes. Latvia has lost 20% of it's population since joining the EU. When FoM was conceived. No one foresaw changes such as this. The result being more problems than answers. As history has shown no dynasty lasts forever.