Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

kabayiri wrote: »

If you believe that the EU will go through difficult times with the Euro, it is entirely reasonable to choose to sit outside the zone.

We are already outside the Eurozone.;)

Brexit doesn't change that.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

kabayiri wrote: »

More resources on border control will help detect other things too, from contraband to illicit substances like drugs.

Which will drive up the price of drugs leading to enhanced profits for criminals and more crime from the addicts to pay for it.

You're not doing a great job of selling the benefits of this whole 'Brexit' thingy....;)

And whilst we're leaving anyway, for now, your side of the debate should probably try an awful lot harder to show some tangible benefits if you don't want us to end up back in sooner rather than later.

Tromking

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Which will drive up the price of drugs leading to enhanced profits for criminals and more crime from the addicts to pay for it.

You're not doing a great job of selling the benefits of this whole 'Brexit' thingy....;)

And whilst we're leaving anyway, for now, your side of the debate should probably try an awful lot harder to show some tangible benefits if you don't want us to end up back in sooner rather than later.

I dont see why.
The war has been won for a generation or two I reckon. A bit like Scottish independence. The onus is probably on you Remain types to make the case for going back in, especially as some of your number have sought to delay our leaving and make it a more protracted and irksome experience than it should be, I sense the will to revisit Brexit in the future will be negligible. Although more by accident than design, you have probably killed a return to the EU fold in the future, stone dead.
Good work.

kabayiri

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

...
You're not doing a great job of selling the benefits of this whole 'Brexit' thingy....;)
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Hehe.

Maybe I need a bus and some big lettering ?

Anyway, it's good to see you back posting. I hope Brexit doesn't put you off your Easter break!

gfplux

What an interesting few posts.
So now asking if there are any benefits to Brexit is not worthy of an answer. Perhaps because there are no benefits.
Spending from the magic money tree by the Government in preparation for Brexit day is called a good idea.
I am surprised I have not been told remain lost get over it and Britain should just get on with it.
Like the drowning swimmer said to the Ocean, Just get on with it.
Or as Titanic said to the Iceberg, Just get on with it.

gfplux

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Many don't enjoy the lifestyle you do. People are far more interested in the smaller things that impact their live directly. Than grand political schemes. Latvia has lost 20% of it's population since joining the EU. When FoM was conceived. No one foresaw changes such as this. The result being more problems than answers. As history has shown no dynasty lasts forever.

As beautiful as Latvia is bringing it into the conversation is scraping the barrel.

Brexit is not an answer to change, it is a leap in the dark.
It is clear there are no clear advantages to Brexit and with no obvious upside it is clear to people enjoying any type of lifestyle that it will prove a mistake that can not be repaired within a lifetime.

PS
Brexit
As the Christian said to the Lion, let!!!8217;s just get on with it.

kabayiri

gfplux wrote: »

What an interesting few posts.
So now asking if there are any benefits to Brexit is not worthy of an answer. Perhaps because there are no benefits.
...

This might sound a little holistic, but maybe we have done the numbers version to death.

For me, the EU project is as much about belief and trust as it is about dry things like trade and rules.

To talk about benefits (or losses) you have to define a reference point; a baseline.

Now I consider that the baseline changed when the vote result was announced. We were never going to be seen in the same way by our fellow EU partners, no matter what action we took.

It's obviously going to be difficult to define a new relationship. It will take time. We seem to be past the initial war of words, and into an acceptance phase now.

Enterprise_1701C

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

We are already outside the Eurozone.;)

Brexit doesn't change that.

But remaining would almost certainly have changed it.

It has been stated by the eu that all members will have to join the euro by 2020.

So we would have either had to join or we would be placed outside of the main eu countries. So we would either have had to submit to economic ruin at the hands of the idiots in the eu or be kicked out in all but name anyway.

Personally I prefer to control the rudder of the ship I sail.

Rough_Justice

kabayiri wrote: »

This might sound a little holistic, but maybe we have done the numbers version to death.

For me, the EU project is as much about belief and trust as it is about dry things like trade and rules.

To talk about benefits (or losses) you have to define a reference point; a baseline.

Now I consider that the baseline changed when the vote result was announced. We were never going to be seen in the same way by our fellow EU partners, no matter what action we took.

It's obviously going to be difficult to define a new relationship. It will take time. We seem to be past the initial war of words, and into an acceptance phase now.

Apart from a number of pro-remain types in threads/forums like this, you mean.

Agreed though, regardless of the action taken the UK would never be viewed in the same light by EU members.
The UK were already thought-of as somewhat reluctant participants but since our referendum we have seen quite a number of voters across various EU countries voting in a similarly EU-sceptic manner as witnessed in Holland, Austria, Italy and even Germany.
Whether such intent will influence individual country's stance towards the UK is questionable, and for the organizational part of the EU is doubtful.

As for the future, how long it takes to fully realize a new relationship depends very much upon the attitudes of senior Eurocrats in forming (or not) a Brexit trade agreement.

If (just for example) Germany remain obstinate and insist upon tariffs which would harm the UK it is entirely possible that large numbers of British citizens could boycott certain German goods.
We have already seen posters suggesting alternatives to BMW for example.
The same may well happen if PSA decide to close UK factories; it won't take much for Vauxhall to lose significant sales because of ill-feeling were that to happen.

Another example is EU attitudes towards their own place in the world.
Will the UK be seen as the cause of their supposed power being reduced since they will again be in third place behind China and the USA?
Will the UK be blamed should the Euro collapse or other member countries leave in years to come?
Will the UK be blamed when the EU share of global trade continues to decline if the UK's improves post-Brexit?

I suspect that whatever anybody's personal opinion of Brexit, there are a great number of very influential people waiting to see how much of a success (yes, or failure) the departure of the UK from the European Union is for both parties.

Rough_Justice

gfplux wrote: »

What an interesting few posts.
So now asking if there are any benefits to Brexit is not worthy of an answer. Perhaps because there are no benefits.
Spending from the magic money tree by the Government in preparation for Brexit day is called a good idea.
I am surprised I have not been told remain lost get over it and Britain should just get on with it.
Like the drowning swimmer said to the Ocean, Just get on with it.
Or as Titanic said to the Iceberg, Just get on with it.

Oh dear, are you still in denial?

No magic money tree sorry, we don't need one.
A budgetary surplus though is what's needed, and the UK's got one of those.
:T
For the first time in 16 years and despite the coordinated attempts of Europhiles to drag our economy down with their deluge of anti-Brexit propaganda.