Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Herzlos

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Herzlos

kabayiri wrote: »

The single state veto will be a thing of the past in the not so distant future.

Maybe it worked when you had a core of 8 states. With 28+ states it is simply unworkable.

They are moving towards a majority voting model.

Majority voting makes more sense, but i believe we'd still have been able to veto giving up our veto. Now we won't even have a say let alone a veto.

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

Majority voting makes more sense,

In an age of decentralisation of Central Government. Arguably not on a European Scale. Where interests are not aligned.

wunferall

Herzlos wrote: »

Majority voting makes more sense, but i believe we'd still have been able to veto giving up our veto. Now we won't even have a say let alone a veto.

Believe what you want to believe, the reality is that a right of veto would be removed if the other members vote for it. EU history is proof enough of that with the ever-increasing use of qualified majority voting.

Arklight

cogito wrote: »

I've been making this very same point many times on here over the last couple of years. This is the very real damage that is being done by FoM. However, for the EU, this is something that they insist upon with the fervour of unthinking religious zealots. The alternative of encouraging the economic development of these countries to give their youngest and brightest incentive to stay does not seem to occur to them.

The way in which populations are declining in almost every EU member east of Berlin is frightening. The way it's going in Bulgaria, they may as well hand it back to Turkey.

https://qz.com/1187819/country-ranking-worlds-fastest-shrinking-countries-are-in-eastern-europe/

Latvia's problems aren!!!8217;t going to be solved by forcing Latvians to stay in Latvia. A titchy country of 2 million people with 1/4 the landmass of the UK.

It!!!8217;s funny how quickly the Right's version of !!!8220;freedom!!!8221; rapidly boils down to bossing people around, sticking it!!!8217;s nose into their business and removing their freedoms !!!8220;for their own good.!!!8221;

Latvia is one of many Eastern European countries that have invested massively in secondary and tertiary education. I imagine the average grunting Brexit voter, buried on their sofa amidst a mound of Pringle crumbs and KFC wrappers, imagines a Latvian school to look something like a hut with a corrugated iron roof full of children singing about Communism. The reality is the polar opportunity of that and why so many Eastern Europeans are so highly mobile.

Of course faced with the choice of !!!8220;staying where they belong!!!8221; and earning 2000 euros a year picking turnips, or travelling around the EU's unfettered free market and earning 20 times that, the Brexit fanatic will always opt for the former.

BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO LIVE WHERE YOU WERE BORN DONT YOU INNIT IT JUST STANDS TO REASON.

Enterprise_1701C

Herzlos wrote: »

Majority voting makes more sense, but i believe we'd still have been able to veto giving up our veto. Now we won't even have a say let alone a veto.

They would just have found some rule to stop us using our veto, after all they have found a new rule to stop countries vetoing tax reforms.

mrginge

Arklight wrote: »

Latvia's problems aren!!!8217;t going to be solved by forcing Latvians to stay in Latvia. A titchy country of 2 million people with 1/4 the landmass of the UK.

It!!!8217;s funny how quickly the Right's version of !!!8220;freedom!!!8221; rapidly boils down to bossing people around, sticking it!!!8217;s nose into their business and removing their freedoms !!!8220;for their own good.!!!8221;

Latvia is one of many Eastern European countries that have invested massively in secondary and tertiary education. I imagine the average grunting Brexit voter, buried on their sofa amidst a mound of Pringle crumbs and KFC wrappers, imagines a Latvian school to look something like a hut with a corrugated iron roof full of children singing about Communism. The reality is the polar opportunity of that and why so many Eastern Europeans are so highly mobile.

Of course faced with the choice of !!!8220;staying where they belong!!!8221; and earning 2000 euros a year picking turnips, or travelling around the EU's unfettered free market and earning 20 times that, the Brexit fanatic will always opt for the former.

BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO LIVE WHERE YOU WERE BORN DONT YOU INNIT IT JUST STANDS TO REASON.

Arch communist outed as founder of Norman Tebbit fan club.

Personally I’d rather increase the lot of the Latvians by putting some effort into developing sustainable industries in Latvia rather than just subsidising a mass baby factory and creaming off the resulting talent to prop up uk/French/German coffee drinkers.

Still I guess the old keep the rich rich and drip feed the benefits down the chain approach also has merit. Did you pick that up from your momentum or Tory central office meetings ?

cogito

Arklight wrote: »

Latvia's problems aren!!!8217;t going to be solved by forcing Latvians to stay in Latvia. A titchy country of 2 million people with 1/4 the landmass of the UK.

It!!!8217;s funny how quickly the Right's version of !!!8220;freedom!!!8221; rapidly boils down to bossing people around, sticking it!!!8217;s nose into their business and removing their freedoms !!!8220;for their own good.!!!8221;

Latvia is one of many Eastern European countries that have invested massively in secondary and tertiary education. I imagine the average grunting Brexit voter, buried on their sofa amidst a mound of Pringle crumbs and KFC wrappers, imagines a Latvian school to look something like a hut with a corrugated iron roof full of children singing about Communism. The reality is the polar opportunity of that and why so many Eastern Europeans are so highly mobile.

Of course faced with the choice of !!!8220;staying where they belong!!!8221; and earning 2000 euros a year picking turnips, or travelling around the EU's unfettered free market and earning 20 times that, the Brexit fanatic will always opt for the former.

BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO LIVE WHERE YOU WERE BORN DONT YOU INNIT IT JUST STANDS TO REASON.

You have a real talent for distorting what other posters say, don't you? Latvia's problems aren't going to be solved by forcing Latvians to stay in Latvia but I didn't say that they would, did I? They won't be solved either by denuding the country of its population.

I agree that the education systems of each of the Baltic states is pretty good with many graduates who then leave and work in other countries of the EU. I've met dozens of them on my travels. Except for a few who had secured well paid jobs in IT, every single one of them was working in a hotel, bar or other places where the pay was better than they would have received in their home countries for doing a job more suitable for their skill sets. Is that what being highly mobile is meant to achieve? Some good their education has done them. What a waste.

kabayiri

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

They would just have found some rule to stop us using our veto, after all they have found a new rule to stop countries vetoing tax reforms.

And they would find more ways once they realized that half(ish) of Brits voted to leave the club/project.

You can understand why the Eurocrats would need to do this too. For the Euro to survive they will need to make some pretty radical decisions.

The UK was useful only as a means of financing the project.

Thrugelmir

kabayiri wrote: »

The UK was useful only as a means of financing the project.

With the UK leaving. Means that the project can move forward. The UK will remain a net contributor in one form or another. Whether it's exports, tourism, or pure intransigence towards the UK when creating rules and legislation.