Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

mrginge

ilovehouses wrote: »

I really don't know why you try and put words into people's mouths. I'm not talking about uproar, horrors or a project fear.

Sorry you seem confused. They way it works round here is that if you voted leave you are a xenophobic moron who doesn’t have a clue what they voted for. That’s because somewhere in Barnsley is a xenophobic moron who didn’t know what they voted for.

I’m just sticking to the formula and since the true horror has been foretold by Luxembourg central it seems logical that all you remainers chaps are on board with it.

If brexit isn't all it's cracked up to be or the positives lag the negatives I don't think we'll go back into the EU. The proles might think the brexit elites are liars though and punish them at the next GE.

So the return of UKIP then I guess?

I’m not so sure tbh.

Rinoa

Arklight wrote: »

Also I would suggest if you can’t understand how a nursery turning over 2 - 3 million pounds a year and employing a team of 50 people on NMW adds to our GDP then I would suggest you look at your fundamental understanding of economics. And not the Lalaland call everyone who doesn’t agree with you names Brexit version.

It may add to our GDP. Doesn't make us one penny richer. The tax credits, housing benefits and public services required are just a drain on our resources. It would make more sense to import the fruit.

mrginge

ilovehouses wrote: »

I'm sure you're not a xenophobic moron but, ask yourself, if you were would you be more or less likely to vote leave. It must be an uncomfortable truth that they're on the same bus as you.

What makes you think that there is just one bus?

Perhaps it’s uncomfortable for all those labour voters, knowing that they’re on a bus that may or may not be filled with anti-semites?
Or all the Lib Dem’s that are now homophobic because the ex-driver of their bus wasn’t too keen on the rainbow flag?

UKIP are finished. Nobody will ever admit they ever voted for them let alone contemplate voting for them in the future.

The brexit elites are Tories and if people start to think to they've been duped they'll lose votes. The Rees-Moggs and Boris Johnsons will be OK but there are tens of Conservative MPs sat in marginal seats.

So another glorious piece of work - if people don’t get what they want they vote for the opposition. Jesus this is deep thinking of the highest level.

Herzlos

Lornapink wrote: »

Brexit is an opportunity. Exchanging the status quo for innovation.

What innovation? Be as specific as possible.

Without details, this is yet another sound bite the brexiteers are famous for.

Herzlos

Lornapink wrote: »

Project Fear claim - we don't have skilled negotiators to progress Brexit forwards, the EU has many.


Barnier today - a significant step forward.
Ah, so we had negotiators after all then.

What makes our negotiators skilled?.because it certainly ain't conceding on everything.

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

Including a list of the EU's liabilities to the UK. Did you miss that bit?

Which total is bigger?

mrginge

ilovehouses wrote: »

You're struggling with that argument really.

If you are anti-semitic are you more likely to vote labour?

If you are anti-gay are you more likely to vote Lib-Dem?

If you're racist were you more likely to vote leave?

Not really, not really & yes - surely not in dispute.

If you’re a rapist, are you more likely to be a man? Surely not in dispute.

Not that i’m saying you are a rapist of course. But it’s useful to know that you personally, as a man, are on the same bus as all the rapists.

It's not just about getting what they want - most people understand that isn't always going to happen.

If you don't get what you wanted AND you think you were misled, lied to or treated like a pawn in a Tory Game of Thrones then the opposition are more likely to gain a vote. It's one of the luxuries of opposition - they would always have done things differently or better and it can't be proved otherwise.

It wouldn't take much for the Tories to be punished for a mishandling of brexit (perceived or otherwise) - it's not as anyone really gives a monkey's about the ECJ, customs union and the like.

I don’t think there’s many people out there expecting any politician to tell the actual truth any more.

But if you’re playing the biggest liar loses card, project fear better come pretty close to reality or the electorate might just flip the other way.

The Telegraph are treading a fine line already talking about climbdowns. They'd like to see Rees-Mogg in charge but have to be careful to firmly stick the blame on May rather than Tories.

Ooh the telegraph are doing what newspapers have always done.
Wow.

GreatApe

gfplux wrote: »

You first suggest the gamble of Brexit is hardly worth making, so why gamble at all.

Then you suggest starting a trade war with our ex partners using VAT.
Then an additional trade war using VAT with America where many of the expensive BMW are made.

You want to gamble and fix the dice against you.

Actually I do cry when I see the country of my birth take this act of self destruction that is Brexit and Now Brexiters are beginning to tell me its all a gamble.

Don't be a cry baby nobody likes that
With a floating currency and free market capatilism we will be fine.

I think we will get something similar to what we have. In the Long run brexit is likely to be a small net positive economically. And yes there is a factor of race at play most Brits very reasonably want the UK to stay as a Christian / Atheists nation and see brexit as a way of reducing migration to help slow the change down.

And most conservatives want the nation to be conservative (shock horror) and importing 500,000 voters who will mostly vote Lefty socialism isn't in their interest. However that will probably back fire in the short to medium term as brexit will mean many of the existing EU citizens who had no vote in the GE will soon get votes in the GE and they are going to punish the Tories

Herzlos

So it is all about xenophobia?

I'd also love to hear how you conclude Brexit will be a small net positive. How small?

GreatApe

Herzlos wrote: »

So it is all about xenophobia?

I'd also love to hear how you conclude Brexit will be a small net positive. How small?

Nobody knows for sure but my guess is not much more than 1% of GDP and domestic policy and the business cycle will be more important than brexit.

I dont think it is xenophobia, dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries. I dont think that exists in any large extent certainly more than 95% of people dont care which country you are from but 95% of people do care what your political views and cultural habits are.

I think it is dislike of or prejudice against people who vote politically differently and also people of different religions. Its reasonable to not like religions and even domestically lefties dont like Tories and Tories dont like lefties.

If migrants were both Christians and overwhelmingly voted Tory I am sure the Tories would be the party of mass migration. But since the migrants are mostly left and a mix of everything culturally then the right dont like them in mass numbers and the left do.