Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5

Moby

Lornapink wrote: »

Far from conceding on everything we've;


Established the EU is looking to sculpt a very good FTA.

All that's been agreed is the transition deal during which the UK surrendered on all areas. The only thing that's going to be 'sculpt' is our future prosperity!

Rinoa

Moby wrote: »

Of course the tories resisted the introduction of the minimum wage when it was introduced....you forgot that bit! You also forgot to add that when the tories increased it, the Labour Party were promising to increase it more. Increasing the income tax threshold was brought in during the coalition and was primarily the policy of the Lib Dems. Of course the general squeeze on public spending over the last 10 years has impacted far more than the measures you describe anyway. Those on the minimum wage will hardly thank you for our shoddy hospitals and bankrupt schools!

Labour promised to increase minimum wage, but curiously never got round to it when in power. Conservatives acted.

Increasing the tax threshold was indeed Lib Dem policy. Conservatives bought into this whole heartedly and have increased it further since the coalition ended.

It all makes makes Gordon Brown look like Scrooge.

Herzlos

Lornapink wrote: »

I wonder if Remainers are so anti-Brexit as they fear the great unwashed will soon become accustomed to being a confident independent nation and thus will reject ever wanting to re-join the EU?

Nah we're anti Brexit because there's no sound reason (beyond xenophobia) to be for it.

You can be certain that once reality kicks in there will be a significant movement to re-join. Remember that half of the voters wanted to stay in. I bet there will be a parliamentary petition about rejoicing the eu within seconds of us having left.

Herzlos

Moby wrote: »

All that's been agreed is the transition deal during which the UK surrendered on all areas. The only thing that's going to be 'sculpt' is our future prosperity!

That's not fair. We got the ability to negotiate deals before leaving. I mean, we stood down on literally everything else but it wasn't a total capitulation.

Could a competent leader do better? No doubt, but we don't have one.

Herzlos

Lornapink wrote: »

Established the EU is looking to sculpt a very good FTA.

That's never been up for debate (though it's a straw man that keeps coming up); it's obvious they want a good deal. They weren't the ones going on about no deal. What is to be determined is how much leeway the eu can give us for this good deal; and what's compatible with Mays ridiculous red lines.

All we do know is it won't be a "cake and eat it" deal, won't be better than we already had and won't harm the eu.

mrginge

Herzlos wrote: »

Nah we're anti Brexit because there's no sound reason (beyond xenophobia) to be for it.

You can be certain that once reality kicks in there will be a significant movement to re-join. Remember that half of the voters wanted to stay in. I bet there will be a parliamentary petition about rejoicing the eu within seconds of us having left.

Oh my god not a parliamentary petition. What will we do???????

mrginge

Herzlos wrote: »

That's not fair. We got the ability to negotiate deals before leaving. I mean, we stood down on literally everything else but it wasn't a total capitulation.

Could a competent leader do better? No doubt, but we don't have one.

I thought transition was about maintaining the status quo?
How do you capitulate on keeping things the same?

You’re not very good at this ‘getting the things you actually want’ lark are you?

gfplux

Lornapink wrote: »

Project Fear claim - we don't have skilled negotiators to progress Brexit forwards, the EU has many.


Barnier today - a significant step forward.
Ah, so we had negotiators after all then.

Lornapink, I am just catching up from yesterday and have read all of your interesting posts and have resisted any reply untill now.

I will not cover all of your mistaken points as others have done that.

So I just want to point out how you are so wrong in some of the simple things.

No one ever said Britain did not have any experienced and clever negotiators. What was said and was TRUE was that Britain did not have any experienced TRADE negotiators.


The TRADE talks have not yet begun despite your impression they had.

The trade negotiations are all about getting a good, bad or indifferent deal.
Normally trade talks take many years as experienced trade negotiators work hard to WIN advantages for their important industries and protect their vulnerable manufacturers.

Cynics might say that they are sometimes under instruction by their political masters to reward some industries and punish others. Something to do with political contributions perhaps.

A rushed deal may not be in Britains interests particularly as Britains TRADE negotiators have little or no experience. It has been good to see that Britain has hired some guns for hire who have worked in this field but they face an uphill task to win advantages for British Industries in such a short time frame. (Signed by all partys by December 2020 if I understand correctly)

gfplux

For those wanting a laugh at Luxembourgs expense this article from Bloomberg should make you smile.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-18/brexit-bankers-may-find-home-in-luxembourg-s-red-light-district

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Luxembourgs red-light district could soon be a home for bankers escaping Brexit.

As the Grand Duchy prepares to welcome financiers relocating from the U.K., a lack of housing has pushed the price of relatively modest family homes beyond the 1 million-euro mark ($1.2 million).

Thats led to edgier areas being developed to keep up with demand, according to real estate brokers in the tiny country, attracting City of London firms looking for a foothold on the continent.

These days, all neighborhoods in Luxembourg are being explored, said Julien Pillot at estate agency Inowai SA. That includes the seedy area of the nations capital dubbed Luxembourg city!!!8217;s answer to the Bronx.
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gfplux

Bloomberg Brexit bulletin had this to say about the give and take of the transition deal

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Bone for the Brexiters | The EU forced the U.K. to accept a series of concessions to get the transition deal, but it also threw a free bone to Tory bulldogs who want a quick, clean split, Tim Ross reports. The U.K. will be able to sign trade deals during the transition, and even implement them with EU approval. Thats a massive win for the likes of Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson, for whom getting back Britains ability to strike trade deals around the world was a key part of the Brexit narrative. Its a concession that has no cost for the EU, and indicates European negotiators want to help May keep her job.
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Those trade deals will be very entertaining as all of us Brexiters and remainers will want to know the details, will want to know what benefits those deals will give to the industry we know, work in or rely on for the prosperity of where we live.
Time to lobby your MP on their behalf.

Who ever thought that trade deals would be discussed down the pub or at the kitchen table.